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Amazon, which started off selling books, is destroying rare texts to train AI

https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/17/amazon-once-an-online-bookseller-is-destroying-rare-books-to-train-ai-models/
47•rzk•1h ago

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whatever1•1h ago
This is what the copyright laws dictate no ?
bena•40m ago
No. A copy is still a copy even if you destroy the original.
exhumet•39m ago
i would assume that would come into play if they were uploading scans of the books? there must be some gray area where training like this doesnt apply to that. or ya know, just do it and face the consequences later because you already have the data and know that ai obsessed government will just shrug their shoulders.
Glyptodon•28m ago
Not to my understanding. To begin with, it's far from given that "rare" books are all covered by copyright. But if they are, it's at best murky: whether you destroy the original doesn't really have anything to do with what you're doing with scanned contents. The scanned contents themselves may be inherently a copyright issue, regardless of destroying the original. The actual trained model has separate arguments more in its favor, so if no scanned contents exist - IE the data is read once for training and not stored or saved, they have a better argument. But in that case the destruction is totally disconnected from copyright, as they'd be totally okay to rescan the material.
thenewnewguy•14m ago
Bias disclaimer: Amazon is my current employer, but I don't work on AI or anything else mentioned in the article.

Yes, this is a result of copyright laws. The other commenters are wrong/uninformed.

If it was up to the companies training LLMs, they wouldn't destroy the books: It's a waste of company resources, it's needlessly destructive/evil, it generates bad PR, etc etc. There are essentially zero advantages, other than it is what is required under US copyright law (or at least, it is what their highly paid lawyers believe is required under US copyright law).

spencerflem•10m ago
Isn’t it being destroyed because it makes the scanning process easier?
bpodgursky•7m ago
No.

A judge a while ago decided that as long as the physical copy is destroyed, and "transformed" into an electronic copy, you can do the upload. But if you preserve the physical copy after scanning it, you are in violation of copyright because you "copied" the book.

That's literally the only reason they are trashing them. It's a legal requirement.

thenewnewguy•4m ago
Perhaps partially? I assume that cutting the pages out of the spin makes them easier to scan at least partially. That said I have no insider knowledge of this type of operation so I don't know how much easier that actually makes it.

But ultimately, it's a moot point, because the legal requirement means the books must end up destroyed. Even if the people at Amazon wanted to scan the books in a way that required no destruction at all, it's not currently (legally) possible for them to do so, so they might as well take the easy way out today.

buran77•39m ago
TechCrunch is trying too hard to make a connection in the title there. Amazon was trying to make money then as it is now. Their selling of books at the beginning was no more principled than the destruction of books now.

This is the legal loophole that they know or hope allows them to do what they need to do, and the benefit of doing it outweighs the modicum of outrage this title will generate.

lelandfe•35m ago
The worst part of Amazon destroying priceless old books in the quest to build the torment nexus is the hypocrisy
jambalaya8•22m ago
all due respect but if they buy them they can do whatever they want with them. not like they are people and not like you have a right to them either. not even like you would have been able to acquire them yourself.
paxys•12m ago
Is it a “loophole” that you can buy something and burn it? That’s how property ownership works. If the books were really so rare and valuable then the original owner should have given them to a museum rather than sell them as scrap. Yet no one who is complaining right now cared about them before Amazon got involved.
s0rce•6m ago
Its somewhat ironic.
Analemma_•37m ago
There's nothing in this article supporting the claim that rare books are being destroyed, it just has a link to a paywalled article from 404 Media.
ajb•26m ago
Do you really think they aren't? Do you think Amazon are carefully culling rare books from the list?

Although, we have to face the fact that the 'indie' book industry isn't necessarily preserving stuff either. I was recently in an old fashioned book shop in Charing Cross road, and they were selling old pictures as well as books. I was going to buy one as a present until I realised that they were pages that had been cut out of some book, because they could get more selling them separately.

Analemma_•8m ago
The figure I've heard quoted is that 640,000 tons of used books (not 640,000 books, 640,000 tons of books) are shredded/pulped every year for lack of finding a buyer. I assume that very few of these are rare books.

I think in the situation where the background rate is 640,000 tons of books being destroyed per year, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim that Amazon is destroying rare books, and doing so at a higher rate than they're being destroyed already.

spogbiper•37m ago
"rare" is used in these headlines/articles to incite and generate clicks
alexthedigger•27m ago
Tech crunch used to be tech news, now it’s ai slop with a biased agenda.
devindotcom•11m ago
no one uses ai for writing at tc. you're gonna end up chicken-littling yourself
anygivnthursday•18m ago
Another discussion on this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49336050
ChrisArchitect•11m ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49330742

and previously:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49310725

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49068738

dr_dshiv•7m ago
The Embassy of the Free Mind (https://www.embassyofthefreemind.com) is a rare book library in Amsterdam that is scanning books the old fashioned way… leading to https://SourceLibrary.org — a collection of over 5,000 books from the renaissance that have never been translated before. Consider donating, if this is a topic you care about!

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