The national homicide rates has since fallen below the levels seen even in 2019, falling to or below the previous historical minimum set in 2014. There’s is clearly something new going on in the last 4 years besides simply reversing the increase seen during and immediately following Covid

This reduction is happening across the board and isn't "because of flock".

I think that purpose statement implies good intentions - we all know measurement stats become the thing that is gamed to make one's organization look good and this is well documented for American law enforcement. Unless absolutely forced to, they simply do not measure things they do not want to report, i.e. prosecutors do not have to document racial backgrounds of accused to prevent racial discrimination from being proved in court (The New Jim Crow), crimes by law enforcement are underreported - especially fatal use of force - justified because "cop scared for his life" (Copoganda), tons of anecdotal evidence many cops will not investigate petty theft even when owners track down thief. The Wire kind of made fun of this "juking the stats" more than ten years ago (co-written by formal journalist David Simon).

2021: I ate more hamburgers 2025: I ate less hamburgers

Prove to me it wasn't my hamburger eating.

I think the case against Flock isn't about its efficacy, it's simply about civil rights.

Similar to how gun laws aren't about the safety of guns, I think Flock cameras, and other surveillance technologies simply encroach on individual freedoms.

A citizen should be reasonably free from government surveillance.

The reduction in crime cannot be attributed to using Flock cameras, so the figures you give aren't meaningful for this conversation.

2019 had 99 murders. This has absolutely nothing to do with Flock, and the notion is perverse nonsense.

Cameras do not prevent crime. This has been eminently shown endlessly. Now ideally they help then find the culprits, but in practice this just isn't happening.

Seems a bit premature to attribute that solely (or even primarily) to Flock.

It also begs the question of if there is a deterrent effect from cameras to commit homicide, couldn't that deterrent be achieved with a far less controversial technology?