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A/I shuts down – Stay human

https://keepitfree.ai/announcements/a/i-shuts-down-stay-human/
155•captainmuon•57m ago

Comments

InsideOutSanta•39m ago
I hereby designate the US government an international terrorist organization.
mag7269•22m ago
If that's what you characterize the US government as, I can only imagine what you characterize some of the other governments around the world. Particularly, from the millions of us who migrated to the US legally and willfully and who are very VERY grateful to this country for providing the opportunities people like myself could only dream-of in our former countries.
hugodan•21m ago
A/I shuts down
aliasxneo•13m ago
Hey friend, don't be discouraged, HN is extremely left-leaning and fairly anti-US. But plenty of us independents lurk here and mostly stay quiet on these subjects because of dogpiling.
mag7269•9m ago
Thanks, bud. Always a good reminder.
drivingmenuts•6m ago
Some of y'all are from countries that are in great turmoil.

Which is partly or mostly our fault.

Maybe we could concentrate on doing less of that.

NBJack•16m ago
They already know what they are. There are good reasons the term "terrorist" has yet to be formally agreed upon among members of the United Nations.
mcv•13m ago
Yeah, but do you control international banking the way they do? That's ultimately how they're able to do this.
toomuchtodo•7m ago
Which is why efforts by China to stand up independent cross border payment rails are important. You have to cut the US out of any ability to control activities outside of their boundaries.

China nears launch of mBridge as alternative to Swift - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636931 - June 2026

righthand•29m ago
> We are stopping, but the Resistance and ideas do not stop. Stay human.

How will that be if the resistance is not visible to the public. What are all the people using their services supposed to do? I’m guessing there are plans to reform in a few years. Why is the Italian government not protecting them?

oblongsquare69•25m ago
I take it as, talk to people in real life and don’t rely on systems that can be shut down.
lambda•24m ago
The Italian government is also a far-right government like the US, so is aligned in wanting to suppress left-wing views.
unfocso•19m ago
>Why is the Italian government not protecting them?

The Italian police wiretapped them for one year without them knowing.

K0balt•8m ago
Resistance and revolution happened before the internet. People have become lazy and complacent, and want their resistance served up over the wire. Thats not how real resistance happens, but it does make people feel like they are doing something, sucking up their energy while the biggest impact is TikTok memes, the modern version of the sternly worded letter.

This is exactly where the power structures want the struggle to be , online, with no real consequences that matter.

The best thing that could happen to the internet and society would be that it would be absolutely illegal to post anything inciting resistance or change of any kind on the internet.

Then, the resistance would go back to being real people in real rooms, secrets and whispers and actual plots to effect change in society for a more equitable and prosperous human future.

Because that’s how real change takes place. The powerful don’t try to make change by posting on instagram. (Advertisement and PR of course, but it’s not the organizational nexus) they gather in conference rooms, talk in person, and have social gatherings where they decide your future.

When they do use the internet to coordinate, it’s not in public forums, it’s encrypted communications, targeted and limited in scope.

The internet is useful, of course, and encrypted communication in private groups, even darkweb resources. But thinking you can use the official structure of the internet (public domain infrastructure, dns, walled gardens) as a primary means of subverting the dominant paradigm is foolish at best, suicidally counterproductive on the normative.

The internet was once subversive in and of itself. It no longer is. Now you’re just wearing signs at the mall.

The revolution thrives underground, not out in the open.

behole•29m ago
Deeply troubling and part of a larger initiative. Fascism is blooming under these weird-o monsters.

Dollars to doughnuts there will be HN's finest boot-lickers in the comments running cover for orange and company. Disgusting and traitorous.

rdtsc•26m ago
Can just rename themselves into I/A. “A/I? That’s shut down. We are not affiliated with them…”
mcv•10m ago
Possibly. The content can be saved and posted on a variety of other platforms.

While this is very heavy handed censorship, there are plenty of ways around it.

monkaiju•26m ago
Hopefully riseup can pick up some of the slack here, but more decentralized services are needed.
AndrewKemendo•24m ago
Love these people and what a powerful message

If anyone from A/I is reading this know you always have a place to stay/eat if you need it

vallerie•24m ago
Yet another example of the troubling amount of power the United States holds over the internet and global finance.

I really worry about the future of free and open expression over the next few years.

unfocso•23m ago
Really sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.
unfocso•17m ago
And yes, they could relocate to TOR, I2P, use P2P websites, torrents, and only accept cryptos for donations. But eventually you'll need to put down a credit card on file to buy a domain, and that domain needs to be owned by somebody.
arcticfox•15m ago
Could someone point me to some background on this whole incident or write a quick one? I don't know who they are or what's going on but it seems important.
layer8•10m ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati#United_Sta...
giov4•3m ago
also for context this is a shorter version and represents well the situation https://www.inventati.org/who/collective

"After 2005 we have been constantly pestered by prosecutors and security forces (and even by the Vatican! [4]) asking us to hand over users’ data and identities and we are proud to say we were always able to answer: we are sorry, but we do not have them."

This is tech guys supporting with infra real freedom of speech! even more important nowadays! jumping to the violent antifa narrative means ignoring a lot of important things.

nikunj1809•23m ago
What does it means?
reilly3000•14m ago
The US government designated a long-running web/email hosting services collective that served political dissidents as a terrorist organization.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

It means the government won.

matt123456789•21m ago
What did they do??
dd8601fn•10m ago
Sounds like providing encrypted communications?

I think we can all see the potential problems with this, even if a specific group is awful.

“The specific claim: a far-left media group that describes itself as a “tool” for militants to share information “to be acted upon” used A/I’s services to publish communiqués and calls to action for U.S.-designated terrorist groups, including FAI/FRI, the IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah, ELN, NPA, PFLP, and PIJ. That same media group was cited in a federal complaint against a domestic terrorist sentenced to 19 years for attacking a federal building and a police car with IEDs.”

jtrn•18m ago
I also oppose fascism, militarism, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia, like what A/I do... And none of that is illegal... At least not in any civilised society. So what did they do to trigger so many? I remember the Norwegian stuff (since I’m Norwegian), and I remember thinking it sounded like bullshit to copy their entire server drive when they wanted access to the blog of two people.

From what I could gather, it seems various governments accused them of deliberately providing infrastructure to groups whose violent activities they supported, such as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), with communications associated with railway sabotage, attacks on energy infrastructure and the “Jane’s Revenge” arson campaign (whatever the hell that is).

Here’s a snippet I found on the net: "Italian police installed a server backdoor in 2004 during an investigation into the anarchist collective Crocenera. It was discovered in 2005. According to contemporary EDRi reporting, the access potentially exposed communications belonging to thousands of unrelated users; EDRi explicitly noted that actual collection of unrelated data had not been proven. EDRi’s contemporary report"

Huge disclaimer on this, since it’s just my musings: This might be one of the situations where both sides are in the wrong. It’s possible that A/I willfully turned a blind eye to actual illegal activity by its users, and refused to cooperate with legal investigations. At the same time, various governments, including mine, overreacted and behaved unethically and maybe even illegally because A/I “didn’t want to play ball.”

Just speculation. But the fact that I can’t easily find concrete examples of what A/I supposedly did wrong makes me inclined to feel sympathy for them. I hate unspecific allegations like “facilitation of problematic and terroristic-adjacent activities.” That’s some 1984-ish bullshit.

I have no clue what I’m talking about here, though. Strange situation and too little information...

ranyume•12m ago
> And none of that is illegal... At least not in any civilised society

I mean, the capitalist system is a barbaric system with defenders that do make opposition illegal...

jtrn•10m ago
GaryBluto•17m ago
>The day we discovered we had been designated a global terrorist organization, we promised that we would try to resist as long as this was possible

Eleven days?

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As a sidenote, I'm rather confused why most sources referred to A/I as simply offering services for "left wing activists"; while this is true, they also offered services to actual, inarguable terrorists. Their services were used to announce firebombs on anti-abortion pregnancy crisis centers.

Now, I don't think they should have been labelled an outright terrorist organisation by many means, but I am astonished by the level of whitewashing.

xgulfie•11m ago
I can't imagine continuing to run something designated by the US as a terrorist organization for for even ONE day
layer8•2m ago
I’d like to have more information about what “offered” means here. I’m sure that regular email and hosting providers have been used by terrorists without being designated a terrorist organization themselves.
phoronixrly•17m ago
Thank you American people! This couldn't have happened without you!
elmer2•16m ago
I've been following the collextive for 10 years. They promoted and hosted violent/terrorist activity.

Parler was ripped off the Internet for 1% of this.

You reap what you sow. If you don't support the freedom of people you disagree with politically, I don't support your freedom either.

Covid has forced me to take a hard stance on this.

lukan•10m ago
"They promoted and hosted violent/terrorist activity."

What kind exactly?

sph•13m ago
Fuck you Trump and fuck you US (and the government of a small country in the Mediterranean who's behind all this). Thank you Autistici/Inventati with whom I had my first email account in the dialup era.

I can't wait to see the American hegemony slowly crumble over the next few decades.

andlarry•13m ago
Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...
hermannj314•13m ago
I am first hearing about this group today, but here is some context:

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

Apparently they provide the digital infrastructure for violent Antifa cells and because of a 9/11 related executive order, the A/I is able to be branded a sponsor of terrorism.

I guess this makes it a crime to give them money or provide aid to them (if you are a US citizen).

bensyverson•7m ago
Because "violent Antifa cells" are totally a thing
LeoPanthera•6m ago
“violent Antifa cells”?

That’s Trump propaganda language, no? It’s describing something that doesn’t actually exist.

Have we all forgotten that antifa is short for “anti-fascist”?

behole•1m ago
More boogie man bullshit from our fascist admin.
Normal_gaussian•8m ago
I wasn't aware of this group; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati is their wiki article, but it is a little light on details.

Some of the claims are interesting - "Decision making in the group takes places collectively instead of through majority voting." - isn't explained by the sourced article.

13415•46s ago
It's in my opinion insane that the US can get away with this without serious backlash from other countries, and it confirms the disappointing reality that the US has become the biggest force for fascism and the biggest motor for the suppression of freedom of speech in the world.
akhasg•5m ago
You go offline. Paper flyers and meetings are much more effective anyway.

It is also not like Palestinian activism is blocked on X, despite people here saying that only Nazis are on X and everything is censored:

https://x.com/intifada

Normal_gaussian•5m ago
It should be noted that this is a very sensible thing to say even if you are not stopping; the only case where you cannot say this is if you are carrying on with the same branding, which is typically necessary if you are carrying forwards funds (which have been seized) or brand recognition (which may not be important for a group who focuses on interpersonal relationships).
Yeah, but there are degrees. I’d rather have a conversation about trans rights here in Oslo than in Afghanistan.
reilly3000•11m ago
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... This designation offers some specific examples of violence being coordinated using their systems. Some are indeed extreme, if true. That doesn’t invalidate their mission or overall contribution to the world at large; it just was sufficient ammo for extinguishing another threat to power.
akhasg•10m ago
They happened to host some people who "vandalized" (a couple of graffiti ...) Trump's golf course in Scotland. That action was called "terrorism".

Their site noblogs.org also hosted some PKK friendly articles. like 10 in total. Now that is bound to happen if you host left wing bloggers in the EU. But that was also called terrorism support.

Their problem is that they actively selected the customers and demanded that they abide by their CoC and rules. You should not do that as an ISP.

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