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A Cop Searched 19,000 Flock Cameras Across 1,558 Cities. His Reason: 'LMAO'

https://www.techtimes.co.uk/police-flock-search-licence-plate-lmao-1808683
96•Tiwariparth6165•1h ago

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toomuchtodo•1h ago
https://ij.org/the-ij-database-of-alpr-abuse/
vatsachak•59m ago
This cop is doing his part to get rid of flock
nonethewiser•44m ago
Flock is the reason why we know the cop did this, and no, not just because they created the opportunity for it.

Flock designed their software so that the police have to state a reason. This can't be turned off. And it's logged for auditing purposes. And then the local governments made the logs public.

So Flock and the local governments are acting responsibly here. The police officer is not and should be reprimanded.

_8L34K•35m ago
>... and should be reprimanded.

L O fucking L

nonethewiser•10m ago
The point is: whose to blame if they aren't reprimanded? It's not flock.
sheikhnbake•29m ago
That wasn't an initial safety feature. It was added after abuse had already been reported. Flock also needs to require a case number or some other method of validation for legitimate use. Presuming the continue to exist in any capacity. Otherwise we're just going to keep discovering incidents like this.
rtkwe•14m ago
They'll just keep a random old case number on a notepad to put in.
chucksta•21m ago
They also designed some amazing validation for that audit software:

>Data reviewed by the EFF included searches labelled 'LMAO', 'LOL', 'Hehe', 'Haha', 'idk' and 'blah'. Other entries included 'asdfg' and strings of apparently random keyboard characters. In one case, an officer entered: 'robbery I don't remember the case number leave me alone'.

Seems like they really put a lot of thought into preventing abuse

>Network Size and ReachTotal Count: Flock Safety reports having over 120,000 active cameras.Community Spread: These cameras are placed in more than 6,000 communities.Data Collection: The system records roughly 20 billion vehicle scans every single month. [1] (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/09/14/trump-e...), [2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flock_Safety)

He searched ~1/5 of the cameras available in America..

nonethewiser•3m ago
What do you mean validation? The reason field is for auditing. Auditing is not validation. And its how the public knows this officer is not meeting quality expectations.
kashunstva•12m ago
> So Flock and the local governments are acting responsibly here. The police officer is not and should be reprimanded.

Who is responsible for ensuring that agents of the government in jurisdictions that host Flock cameras adhere to proper procedures, if not the local governments themselves? Who is designing access systems that permit random text in lieu of actual case numbers that can be verified in real time and properly gate the system? If Flock and the IT departments of local governments cannot provide proper locks against this sort of random surveillance then the cameras should be removed.

Forgeties79•11m ago
>Flock designed their software so that the police have to state a reason.

And yet none of this stopped an individual from first accessing 19,000 cameras across 1558 cities with "LMAO" as the reason. The damage is already done and it could have been prevented.

nonethewiser•5m ago
The reason is for audibility not prevention. Flock surfaced the officer whose not meeting quality expectations.
progforlyfe•58m ago
Policy officers are mis-using this powerful, hugely invasive massive surveillance tool? I am utterly shocked!
ShadowOfThePit•56m ago
> Data reviewed by the EFF included searches labelled 'LMAO', 'LOL', 'Hehe', 'Haha', 'idk' and 'blah'. Other entries included 'asdfg' and strings of apparently random keyboard characters. In one case, an officer entered: 'robbery I don't remember the case number leave me alone'.

lol wtf. Like, I get it, "haha quirky me", if it was a personal coding project or an informal setting, but not here!? I wouldn't believe if you told me they were older than, what, 30?

On second thought, that's absolutely possible.

a34729t•55m ago
This sounds exactly what happens when you are required to fill out a reason for say a deployment to your test enrvironment in a jira ticket. After a certain point you just stop obeying cause nobody reads the ticket anyways.
pluc•52m ago
Commit messages
darkwater•51m ago
That's why we should also replace cops with LLMs and AI. Oh, wait.
cogman10•51m ago
So, I've actually implemented a system like this for my work. It's completely non-shocking to me that a unchecked and unvalided "reason" field ends up with nothing but garbage in it to get past the software checks.

My 3 "words" requirement because managers wanted more than just "caus" ended up with workers simply putting in "a o k".

These systems need more validation and teeth than simply letting the officers enter whatever text allows them to search. A case number isn't enough, IMO. There needs to be an actual warrant which the system checks. But further, misuse needs to be prosecuted (I know, fat chance).

alistairSH•53m ago
Too bad they haven't named/shamed the actual officers. Lack of details is effectively giving the police carte blanche to continue doing this shit. "Oh, we'll tell the officer to cut that out (fingers crossed behind back)"
dayyan•52m ago
Would you have not? Don't lie.
hackyhacky•50m ago
I work in a field where privacy of customer information is protected by law and we all take this very seriously. So, no, I would not do this, and I think that police (who have vastly much more power over people's lives than I do) should not either.
dylan604•43m ago
That's great. Now put yourself in the same situation the cops are working with and not your arbitrarily applied restrictions. The cops clearly do not have these restrictions, so why are you applying something artificial like this?
sophacles•7m ago
I hold myself to all sorts of standards that are not enforced by anyone outside of me. There are plenty of things I choose not do do despite a complete lack of consequence if I do them.

It's a called integrity and morality. Clearly another thing cops and their sycophants don't have.

ambicapter•49m ago
No because I'm not a cunt.
ajross•43m ago
The point is not that police are bad and we aren't. You're right that everyone can be tempted to terrible action by access and permission to terrible things.

The very clear point here is that cops are in practice misusing this system without a meaningful safeguard in place to ensure searches are legal. Which is especially worrisome in this country given that the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Like, the constitution isn't unclear on this at all.

foolfoolz•52m ago
flock isn’t going away. this feels like the 1990s web that grew into a more regulated system with safeguards. flock or a (more advanced) replacement are going to be part of policing in the us forever
dragontamer•30m ago
Once upon a time, one of the largest companies of the USA, Bell Labratories, was declared an illegal monopoly and eradicated.

In the correct political environment, entire companies can be dismantled with one executive action. Not our current political environment, but in the 1980s one it could happen.

-----------

Oh, also, companies were literally an act of Congress when this country started. We can change the rules back and dismantle any company that refuses to work for the benefit of this country.

Remember that one time when a large global company (The Dutch East India company) got a tax break from the king, and it angered the population so much that we took a bunch of tea (a symbol of the Dutch East India Company) and threw it into the Boston Harbor?

Ahhhhh yeah. I remember. Oh right, we teach that situation a bit differently today don't we? People probably don't remember exactly how easy it used to be or how this country used to treat companies that betrayed our values.

We can go back. But lets start with understanding that we _can_ go back. Step 2 is electing people who will agree with this political message.

y1n0•47m ago
Given the absurd commit messages I see, basically along the lines of “oops” “lmao” “wtf” I don’t see the issue.
maerF0x0•30m ago
In this case the issue isn't 19k flock cameras, but an utter lack of repercussion for failure to justify usage. In the same way I'd be arrested and jailed if I breached/used 19K ring cameras that do not belong to me, this guy should be arrested and jailed for his misuse. Police unions are a major root cause of many issues in the USA.
pelagicAustral•19m ago
My commit messages when no one is looking, and the reason I hardly ever open source stuff...
josefresco•18m ago
> July 2025, an officer with the Lake County, Indiana, Sheriff's Department

Do they not know the name of this officer, or are they not reporting it?

nonethewiser•6m ago
It's public. It's in the dataset that was released containing "LMAO".
jasonlotito•8m ago
Flock makes it easy to track people and where they go. For example, if you are going to a gun range, or going to a place to buy guns and ammo, Flock makes it easy to track that. This makes it easy to figure out who has weapons and allows the government to easily target them first. This would make it easy to create a digital database of known and suspected gun owners.

This is something I'm sure all gun owners support.

nonethewiser•41m ago
The reason field is not to gate the search feature. It's for accountability. This officer should be reprimanded.
mingus88•49m ago
Cops are not known for being well regulated individuals

The obvious flaw is that someone added this field as a requirement but they never actually audit it and hold officers accountable

I think you can trace both of these problems back to the police union.

nonethewiser•40m ago
>The obvious flaw is that someone added this field as a requirement but they never actually audit it and hold officers accountable

Flock added the field as a requirement and logs it. It's up to the police/local government to reprimand abuse.

dylan604•45m ago
I mean, if the field is required and is open text with no requirement that the text be useful, why would you bother? How many of use put stupid text into fields just to get to the download? Yeah yeah, cops are supposed to be above blah blah, but they are human.
dpoloncsak•36m ago
Just because there isn't a coded requirement doesn't mean there hasn't been directions to state valid requirements. This isn't a Jira ticket, this is a tax-payer funded government official supposedly doing his job, and should 'bother' to give valid reasons.
guywithahat•15m ago
What do you mean "not here"? They're looking at video footage of public places, I would not care either. I'm not happy about flock cameras but this is not like he's filling out paperwork for a charge or doing something important, these cops are looking at existing camera data of public spaces
fckgw•40m ago
We're supposed to hold police officers to a much higher standard. Whether I would or not is irrelevant.
psychoslave•4m ago
A higher standard would not let such a mass surveillance network exist, even less give the possibility of such a large look up in it without single use accreditation by a judge or some tierce relevant to keep in check citizens right for privacy.

Any large enough population will also include people failing at doing the-right-thing™ (when such a thing could at least reach some societal consensus) at least sometimes in their life. Expecting anything else is dooming the standard at the lowest possible floor level.

dpoloncsak•35m ago
I would assume, if I'm reviewing the cameras for a valid reason, that it may end up in court. If it ends up in court, I'd want my logs to show I atleast did the bare minimum, yes.

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