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Agreement between the USA and Denmark (1951,2004) [pdf]

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/04-806-Denmark-Defense.done_.pdf
18•closingreunion•2h ago

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21921276•42m ago
I get that this is posted to show that the "Art of the deal" has produced little novelties in the recent US-Denmark agreement:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c63d7lexyym1o

It does have the novelty that even under independence the US will continue to operate the bases. I'm not sure if Denmark thinks this is a poison pill for any independence movement.

The Golden Dome bases in Greenland are such a stupid pretext:

1) Russia has the Sarmat missile that flies over the South Pole and completely evades all northern installations.

2) Russia has the Poseidon nuclear torpedo that threatens the vast coastal areas of the US and is immune all that as well.

everyone•26m ago
Also Trump seems to be allied with Russia. They got him elected and paid for his son's wedding and so on. He withdrew all support for Ukraine, and has put tariffs on practically every country except Russia. He has consistently pressured Ukraine to surrender and repeated Russian propoganda verbatim. He saved Putin a loss of face by pressuring Ukraine not to strike the last victory day parade. Even before he was president he handed Russia one of their biggest military victories by having maga follower Mike Pence block military aid to Ukraine for 6 months just after their offensive had culminated.
noir_lord•6m ago
It's unfortunate you are getting down voted for pointing out pretty much what has happened.

Whether Trump is or isn't allied with Russia is immaterial if much of what he does is exactly the same as what he would do if he were.

The people debating whether he's compromised are missing the point, if he's not then there is the much more interesting question of then why has his foreign policy been to their benefit?.

nonethewiser•26m ago
Also, the previous deal didn’t let the U.S. expand its military presence without Denmark approval. And it was contingent on the North Atlantic Treaty. The new deal is permanent.

I dont know why people think this isnt more permissive for the US.

silvestrov•14m ago
Denmark never denied an approval, so it has no meaningful difference.

At one point the US had 17 small bases in Greenland. Almost all have been abandoned by the USA on its own initiative.

Look at this map: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Former-US-air-bases-in-G...

Today there is only the small Thule/Pituffik base.

The US has closed the bases because they make no sense with modern military and satellites.

nonethewiser•6m ago
>Denmark never denied an approval, so it has no meaningful difference.

Sure there is a difference. The old agreement required Danish agreement for new defense areas. They forfeited that control.

Its like saying an API requiring authorization is the same as one not requiring authorization if historically there were no unauthorized requests.

nine_k•16m ago
Notice how in the current war in Europe Russia is not using ICBMs or nuclear torpedoes, and the bulk of the damage is dealt by vast numbers of small, cheap, subsonic drones, and a few medium-range missiles (some made by North Korea, of all places).

Losing the ability to watch and intercept "obsolete" weapons is quite risky. In 1960s, some cool newest-generation supersonic jet fighters got rid of cannons, because rockets felt so much more efficient. Using them in actual warfare quickly showed that rockets are not perfect, and expensive; you can run out of them, and become helpless.

chvid•12m ago
In Danish media the new deal is widely being presented as a huge diplomatic victory for Denmark.
ericmay•6m ago
What did the US give up in the deal from its side?
AnimalMuppet•6m ago
On what grounds? The US didn't just take Greenland?
chvid•19m ago
The US has been in Greenland, and have had complete military control with it, for many decades. Doing its time there it has conducted a number of activities with very little regard for the people living there or the broader environment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

(Accidental crash causing the (non-nuclear) explosion of 3 hydrogen bombs and the loss of a 4th.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm

(A network of mobile nuclear missile launch sites under the Greenland ice sheet.)

However after the cold war US activity there has been cut to a single base with just over 100 men.

So with the re-newed interest and a willigness to seriously mess up the NATO alliance - what does the US want in Greenland this time around?

Minerals, data centers, launch rockets into space, prepare for climate change, maybe something with the northern sea route?

It is very unclear.

buckle8017•15m ago
US activities in Greenland have always been about strategic defense.

This latest enterprise likely has to do with a strategic missile defense system.

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Agreement between the USA and Denmark (1951,2004) [pdf]

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