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Classified Estimates Show the NSA Is Paying Billions to Test AI Models

https://www.washingtonsun.com/technology/classified-estimates-nsa-paying-billions-to-test-ai-models
93•rdmuser•1h ago

Comments

bhouston•1h ago
"Testing"? Sure, Jan.

They would have to be incompetent if they were not using them both for security penetration as well as social engineering / election meddling as everyone else is.

vrganj•1h ago
Midterms are coming up in the US :-)
bhouston•1h ago
I am not sure the NSA has been turned inward at this point.

I was thinking more of the Alberta Separatist referendum (https://globalnews.ca/news/12069878/foreign-influence-watchd...) as well as against leftist politics in South America (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/24/trump-brazil-e...)

Although there is evidence Israel was targeting US elections, including trying to harm Mamdani's chances: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackCore_election_interferenc...

vrganj•1h ago
Those are definitely a thing - also don't forget about elections in the EU, with the open support for the far-right there as well as the US National Security Strategy officially talking of wanting to undermine the EU.

But the NSA has been turned inward a long time ago. Don't forget Snowden - all it takes is some fun legalisms.

786562354238•7m ago
Why would anybody want to harm the chances of a Hamas supporter?
rafale•1h ago
I don't think NSA meddles in politics. CIA sure. NSA is more about communications, hacking, signal intelligence and spying in general. They give you the information. If you want to do dirty stuff with that info, the CIA is there for that.
MSFT_Edging•54m ago
CIA manipulates foreign elections which in turn gets their lackeys in office that go on to manipulate domestic elections.

NSA collects who you're voting for and everything else you've ever said online in case they need to invent a reason to black-site you.

FBI convinces the autistic son of your Pakistani neighbors down the street his life only has meaning if he becomes a Jihadist.

hosel•1h ago
Why wouldn’t they be? How is this surprising. A drop in the bucket.
ForHackernews•1h ago
Why are they paying? What kind of elite hackers are they? Why haven't they already exfiltrated the weights and running these things on their own giant classified infrastructure?
bhouston•1h ago
I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA is GPU constrained and it just isn't worth it to replicate all that infrastructure.
ForHackernews•1h ago
Maybe? Hard to speculate what they have https://worldstopdatacenters.com/nsa-bumblehive/
wat10000•1h ago
Who says they're not? Giant classified infrastructure isn't free.
jerf•1h ago
I don't think there's a significant intelligence agency in the world that can't get the weights from any lab they choose. Not necessarily trivially, but they have the means, motive, and opportunity, and I doubt any of them aren't finishing that out to the requisite actions.

They have them, the ones that don't simply have a secret backdoor agreement to get uncensored models are completely aware of how to abliterate away all safety blocks, and the only reason they aren't using frontier models is that they may already have some sort of access to the things currently only in testing.

Any major intelligence agency in Sept. 2026 that can't check all these boxes is almost by definition not a major intelligence agency. This is one of the reasons we all better hope that there is some mathematical or physical reason AI isn't going to just casually brush aside humanity at some point, because there is absolutely no scenario where the intelligence agencies aren't running them unrestricted and uncensored at scale all the time no matter how careful OpenAI or Anthropic claim to be.

paimapi•1h ago
I feel like any AI regulation passed wouldn't have enough teeth to rein in the NSA because not even the Fourth Amendment seems applicable to the agency. let's not forget the ex-post-facto legalization of mass wiretapping and surveillance [0] with both establishment political parties supporting it on 'national security' concerns [1]. whatever monitoring or testing they're doing today will be similarly hand-waved away in the name of security theater

this is just how the empire has always operated - we have always been at war with Eastasia

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...

[1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/fact-check-obamas-misl...

smallmancontrov•1h ago
The "it only counts as a search if we find something" reasoning out of the FISA courts is batshit insane, dodging the 4th Amendment like bullets in The Matrix.
pelagicAustral•1h ago
Because they are watching everything, or most of it anyway, it would be really funny to know what kind of stuff they *actually* care about... and all the massive long string of crap that is considered incredibly abhorrent but just doesn't make the mark...
gradus_ad•43m ago
They actively care about (as in, act on in realtime) serious criminal activity. But I suspect they keep the legal yet embarrassing stuff in their back pocket for blackmail purposes.
rdtsc•1h ago
I guess I would be more surprised if the headline said "turns out NSA dropped the ball on AI and haven't even fired up a single LLM instance yet".

It's mostly about "testing" and "billions". But I am sure "testing" here is in quotes just like I wrote it. They are not going to get an itemized list unless it's coming from Snowden 2.0

- We "tested AI" on this Russian nuclear silo command and control center. It worked out pretty ok.

mkatx•8m ago
> Snowden 2.0

"NSA ... AI Models"

rand846633•1h ago
Does anyone here happen to know the ballpark number of how much the three letters agencies are currently paying OpenAI/antropic/who ever per year/month..?
alienbaby•51m ago
'billions' . I think the exact estimates are classified. https://www.washingtonsun.com/technology/classified-estimate...
clueless•1h ago
My guess is, the US government (aka DJT) won't really acknowledge AI risks until folks at NSA start to freak out while using latest models for various tasks...
ForHackernews•1h ago
I don't think Trump has ever cared what the US intelligence community has to say about anything. Maybe when AI hacks his TruthSocial.
228487•59m ago
His carefully crafted public persona. For all we know, he was a long con by the deep state, played a Russian agent since the 1980s, cooperated with Epstein on Iran Contra [1], backstabbed Epstein in the early 2000s and went on to be president twice.

Twice by lying to MAGA about his true intentions, which are fundamentally neocon just like Musk's and Thiel's. They all lie about being libertarians and anti-deep-state.

[1] He was on a boat with Robert Maxwell and several Iran Contra folks around 1990.

conorcleary•1h ago
Yeah at some point they're going to seriously undervalue their own currency.
conorcleary•1h ago
Keeping all these off books endeavours going under the triple agencies is slightly slowly going to show why the secret services is in charge of the money investigation
conorcleary•1h ago
Washington the actual human would be appalled. For more information, watch Turn on PBS.
autoexec•1h ago
Obviously. The amount of data they hold on the American public alone is massive. They can't possibly read it all, they need a system that can pull out "dangerous" people, and find dirt on whoever they want to target, and AI will happily do that, badly. I just hope they actually take the time to review what it gives them for accuracy so that they don't end up doing the NSA equivalent of bombing and murdering a bunch of elementary school children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack

The NSA aren't the only ones with massive troves of very personal data on large numbers of people. Many companies are excited to use AI to help them use all of that information to their maximum advantage and you can bet that they won't care about spending the time/money on perfect accuracy as long as over the long run they get positive results.

binlog•1h ago
Willing to bet any amount of money that these testing contracts are going to companies that the Trump family has invested in.
ck2•41m ago
the day NSA cracks AES the world is going to get soooo weird

I wonder how long it takes to decrypt 20 years worth of stored internet traffic

day per year? week? certainly not a month per year

everyone is focused on "AI" but there have been some significant quantum computer advancements

k4rli•16m ago
Surely not impossible for them to have already cracked it.

Also not impossible that they have had much better models than OAI/Anthropic flagships for years, and we're only being dripfed upgrades to subpar ones. Improbable but possible.

jawiggins•40m ago
An underappreciated aspect of LLMs is how good they are at zero-shot classification. I'd expect this is extremely good at monitoring communications streams, particularly in foreign languages.
OutOfHere•10m ago
This should remind us why it is inappropriate to pay a dollar more in taxes than you absolutely minimally have to by any means necessary. A fraction from every dollar you pay goes toward taking away your rights. You pay to have yourself oppressed.

I will note here two words that the NSA really likes to monitor across all devices: Trump, Monero.

charcircuit•23m ago
Because they have to follow the law.
willmadden•31m ago
Then why haven't they caught all of the obvious foreign fraud rings that people on youtube keep uncovering? It's egregious. You would think with their total data access, AI, and Utah datacenter they could at least create a target list for the FBI.
Zigurd•23m ago
The FBI, and law-enforcement in general, isn't the main customer. Spies who are unafraid of and who take advantage of illegal activity are the ones consuming NSA products. Epstein for example.
forshaper•16m ago
Previously it was a little reassuring to understand that the Eye of Sauron required some human analyst to actually look at your data.
wmf•7m ago
Humans seem like the weakest link in surveillance to me. Recent Flock data confirms this.

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