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Jepsen: ParticleDB 1.1.4

https://jepsen.io/analyses/particledb-1.1.4
40•aphyr•4h ago
https://github.com/jepsen-io/particledb

Comments

Powdering7082•2h ago
> ParticleDB’s home page advertised that ParticleDB was “formally proven” with a TLA+ proof.

Perhaps they meant formerly, probably just a speech to text problem

lumost•34m ago
TLA+ doesnt prove the code. if they never read the proof, then how do we k ow that it proved the right things?
hibikir•21m ago
And you still have to make sure all the real constraints are in. I had to fix a proven correct distributed algorithm that just happened to believe updates were done atomically and with no latency.
wavemode•25m ago
lol, reminds me of the common misreading "provably safe" / "probably safe"
Powdering7082•2h ago
-https://github.com/jepsen-io/particledb is currently 404 (probably still private?)-

EDIT: It's up now

aphyr•1h ago
Sorry about that--yes, it's still private. Hoping to have that resolved shortly.
dang•1h ago
Looks like it's up now. I'll put that link in the toptext as well. Thanks!
edude03•1h ago
> We present 96 issues in ParticleDB, ranging from the pedestrian (crashes, deadlocks, data loss, etc.) to the piquant (partially-invisible rows which could not be deleted, WHERE 4 = 5, dropped tables re-emerging in distorted forms, confused columns, strings turning into integers, and so on).

Definitely seems worse than usual (looking back most databases seem to have <10 issues total, and the majority seem "mild") - since it's a database for AI was it also likely vibe-coded or just new? Then again even if new, I wouldn't expect so many issues in a stable release

cwillu•17m ago
The discussion section of the report is very damning.
Thaxll•1h ago
Slop DB written in Rust. They probably changed the landing page after the bad results, you can still see the old one: https://web.archive.org/web/20260518203012/https://particled...

"Written in Rust · Formally Verified · PostgreSQL Compatible"

the_duke•32m ago
Brutal!

> ParticleDB 1.1.4 claimed to be a Postgres-compatible database ... Instead, we found a library of confusion

> exhibited frequent, profound transactional anomalies in essentially every way we could measure. We routinely observed the loss of committed writes, internal consistency violations, G1a (Aborted Read), G1b (Intermediate Read), and P4 (Lost Update). In the append workload, successfully appended values would routinely disappear from later reads of a given key. Our test suite inferred every kind of cyclic anomaly including G0, G1c, G-Single, and G2-item, but many of these can be attributed to more basic issues, like write loss. These issues occurred with a single server and without faults, and affected every transaction mode, interface, and WAL mode tested

d5wiz•3m ago
these were tests done on pre release builds and some experimental concurrency modes as well.... The engine has since been redesigned and all of these issues have been fixed..

Its also faster than Redis for KV, also numbers show this should be top on clickbench, official submission is in progress

pluto_modadic•21m ago
Aphyr does great work, Jepsen always kicks it out of the park :)
_bohm•20m ago
Is/was ParticleDB open source? There is a Github link on their website, however the only public repo in their org seems to be the Golang client library.
CodesInChaos•15m ago
Since the library claims to be postgres compatible, I wonder if its developers ran the existing postgres jepsen suite against it (possibly with some adjustments). Or why not.

Especially now, where you could probably just ask AI to adapt the existing suites to the cosnistency claims this database makes, and get something useful out of it. While certainly not as good as a professional test, I'd expect it to at least find some low hanging fruits before going for the expensive and public official Jepsen test.

yla92•8m ago
The company says they did. From the post

"Orkes said they ran Jepsen’s existing Postgres test harness to find and resolve issues in ParticleDB prior to this work. However, that same test harness failed immediately when run against ParticleDB 1.1.4. Orkes also stated they tested ParticleDB with SQLancer, which generates far more complex queries than the ones we tested. It is therefore perplexing that nearly every feature we tested exhibited glaring errors, and that our findings seemed to come as a surprise."

mxey•4m ago
Seems to me that “we ran the Jepsen test” is just something an LLM thought would sound good on a DB’s website.
stacktraceyo•5m ago
Fatality
mxey•5m ago
It’s wild how bad it is. Not surprising for a vibecoded database, but why did they hire Kyle for a test, instead of first doing ANY testing themselves?

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