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With 86% of the words, you might understand only 38% of an anime's lines

https://learnfromx.com/research/anime-word-coverage-vs-lines-understood
25•lakesare•1h ago

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gustavus•1h ago
My first anime was NGE. I knew all the words and still understand nothing.
Zealotux•29m ago
Really? Eva is pretty straightforward to understand once you watched End of Evangelion, Misato pretty much explains most of it in the movie.
watwut•55m ago
> Coverage is the number most learning sites quote.

This person is visiting different learning sites then I do.

Also, I dont need to understand every word in sentence to understand it. Especially when coupled with visual show.

chomp•50m ago
It’s an LLM, so…
watwut•37m ago
It did indeed sounded like one. Noticeable by a lot of words that say nothing that would matter.
buzer•49m ago
This ignores the fact that you can often figure out the meaning of the line from context even if you don't know the meaning of each word.
dumberquestions•46m ago
It's pointed out as a shortcoming at the bottom:

>What could make this wrong: >1. "Understood" means you know every word. It ignores grammar, kanji readings, speaking speed and context.

anigbrowl•15m ago
or alternatively, leverages that to structure your intuitive learning process.
ACCount39•12m ago
Human languages are massively redundant specifically to enable this kind of "fill the gaps" learning process.

Observe an unknown word used a few times in different contexts, and you'll get a very good bead on what it means.

It's the "natural" way of learning a language. No one gets every word explained to them in detail - most words you know in your own first language are the ones you picked up on the go.

I think this "structural redundancy" might be a big part of what enables LLMs to learn human languages "from nothing".

td521534f12•47m ago
I watched Lain with the subtitles on and I still won't claim I understood all the lines.

I'm pretty sure many of the lines are _not understandable by intent_, even.

"Present day... present time... ahahaha!"

ACCount39•14m ago
"And you don't seem to understand..."

Ironic that it holds the first place by understandable lines. The vocabulary isn't the complex thing - it's the content itself that eludes understanding.

Surreal and dreamlike - almost as if inviting you to connect the dots, but not giving you the labels, not giving you enough dots or an obvious enough outline to connect them confidently.

GodelNumbering•45m ago
I spam Yare Yare to the extent that my friends had it on my birthday cake
dvh•43m ago
> kochira wa yakusoku no houshuu desu

You blurred yakusoku, everybody knows that, but houshuu is much rarer word, should have blurred that

dumberquestions•38m ago
That's higher than what I would've expected.
joshdavham•17m ago
Reminds me of an analysis I did a while back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44349332

I didn’t include it in my analysis, but I’ve been thinking about “sentence coverage” vs “word coverage” for a number of years now. In an extreme case, you could imagine a transcript with only i+1/1T sentences and you’d be left with totally incomprehensible input.

zaik•16m ago
Rare words usually carry the most information in any given sentence.
numpad0•13m ago
One thing that seem to be improving Japanese literacy across the world is Inmu gay porn meme contents. I believe it hasn't reached the US, but it is becoming eerily well known in East/Southeast Asian countries, including mainland China. It uses tiny set of vocabulary in highly repetitive manner, a la kid's picture books, but in the way relatable and addicting to social media users rather than e.g. portraying a day in the life of a cute crayon drawn caterpillar.

IMO, what that tells us is that a completely dumb repetition of small set of simple concepts to just set up the pathway can be an effective means to kickstart language acquisition process. Most language learning materials attempt to establish a compact set of rules to be expanded with a long tail of modular add-ons, even many that aims to create an alternative and less stressful approaches like Duolingo. The Inmu dictionary has less than 500 known expression, all unusable in regular communications and inappropriate in most settings, and the way it is used is simplistic, childish, disrespectful, and dumb. And I think that might be how "start with picture books" advice look like if rebuilt from first principles.

ben_w•10m ago
Sounds about right. Similar experience learning German when I moved to Berlin from the UK (though less extreme, felt like 85% of words was 50% of sentences).

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