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Egoless Mathematics in the AI Era

https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2026/11/02/egoless-mathematics-in-the-ai-era/
30•smilelamp•1h ago

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sam_lowry_•49m ago
AI inflicted the 4th narcisstic wound on humanity, the other three being Copernican, Darwinian and Freudian, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_injury for the background.
abstractbill•49m ago
This is one of the best posts I've seen on this topic in a while.

I finished a math PhD before I decided to get out of academia and into startups. Since then, the older I get the more of a Platonist I become, especially now that I've taught my daughters a bunch of math (I'm their homeschool math+science teacher). And the more of a Platonist I become, the less I care about who made a particular discovery. Who cares?! It seems obvious (and quite beautiful) to me now that the same discoveries must be getting repeated again and again across the universe by alien mathematicians, and eventually by their AIs.

rubikscube09•47m ago
yeah but it's fun to discover things with your own brain
noslenwerdna•4m ago
You can still discover it for yourself even if AI discovered it first (or some other human, or an alien on another planet). It is fun to figure out how something works, in and of itself
j2kun•27m ago
So why should your children bother to learn math? Just have them prompt their AIs.
kzz102•40m ago
Human pursuits cannot be separated from the humans who pursuit it. In the pursuit of knowledge, what ultimately drives people is what they themselves can understand, and the meaning these understanding provides, both based on their own experience and people whose opinions they value. Humans do not pursuit Platonic knowledge for their own sake, and those who claim to do it, often are satisfying their egos in a different way.
anarticle•29m ago
Feel like it's hard to accept egoless style, as in academia there is little but the glory to be had in the pursuits. In the publish/perish era, money is already stretched thin in the average research budget.

I want to believe, but research has been tightrope walking with no safety net for awhile.

So, either researchers get SF salaries? or? (first one is not gonna happen)

Waterluvian•29m ago
Watching Star Trek TNG as a kid, I vividly recall hearing Geordi or Data often say things like "run a level 3 diagnostic on the Worf Barrels" or whatever to the computer and wonder what the heck that would even be. I wondered where are all ship devops and programmers were hidden. Though I recall the one accurate part was Barclay in the Holodeck spending most of the time setting up his IDE.

Now I think I kind of have an answer. Maybe the level of diagnostic refers to the LLM effort level. Great. So then what are all the people on the Enterprise actually doing? My guess is they're all just being people and doing people stuff like exploring the galaxy and smugfacing the Romulans. It would be easier to just create a race of Datas to do it safer. The Datas could probably be Bluetoothed to the Ship's Computer for even more optimization.

I think some of the struggle is that as we summit each subsequent hill of challenge, the sunset (or is it a sunrise?) is becoming inescapably bright. We're faced with that big ol' "what's the point of all this?" question. What's the point of studying math? What's the point of exploring the galaxy? What's the point of standing under a stack of blue barrels?

I'm not a math guy. I dunno if a Fields medal comes with free Taco Bell for life or something else that would truly move me. But I love that I get to read books and learn cool things and feel that spark of joy when my understanding expands, even if the ending is right there with nothing stopping me from skipping to it.

j2kun•29m ago
This essay seems to say, "people don't matter; all that matters is truth." And that all the policy decisions should follow from that assumed value.

Yikes. I fear for what mathematics will become if that becomes the majority viewpoint.

12312777•23m ago
The future of mathematics is outlined in this amusing quasi-satire (satire tends to become reality in Silicon Valley):

https://proofsandprompts.com/2026/10/31/lean-me-softly-a-sat...

That is literally what some tenured people are pushing for.

delusional•19m ago
> we gratefully acknowledge the assistance of GPT Astra 6.0 and GPT 6.1 Sol in drafting this post.

Holy. This is the closest thing I've seen one of these AI guys get to accepting it as the machine god. "Dear god, we gratefully accept this divine gift of sustenance that we are about to consume."

That might be a good time to consider what the fuck is going on.

jraph•10m ago
> That might be a good time to consider what the fuck is going on.

Marketing for OpenAI. When it comes from one of the best-known mathematicians, it must be quite efficient.

btw,

> This blog post was initially written in a different file format and converted using AI.

You don't really need an LLM to convert between file formats, there are dedicated tools that work well for this. Especially for a text that's essentially unformatted, a copy paste and a few searches & replaces will probably be faster.

bhouston•14m ago
Following Terry Tao's posts he seems to be engaging in forced self-directed cognitive behaviorial therapy, he is trying to come to terms with loss while developing a new framework for himself and other as to where the value is. It is cool to see. It is better to engage than to be in denial and just fall into reactionary behavior.

I do not think I have such a well-developed concept of myself in relationship to my field as he does, I just found it hard to maintain and its value wasn't sufficient to invest that effort. I think the difference is likely that I am a "pragmatic engineering" type who does "the next right thing" and I do not need an overly complex over-arching concept of myself in relation to my craft.

12212755•3m ago
This is entirely ahistorical and a typical remote psychoanalysis.

Tao has been pushing for AI and Lean for a long time and didn't like the way OpenAI handled the Oct. 6th release. He has now been pushing for AI owned by universities.

That is the public way he navigates the situation, who knows what his real game is.

He is one of the people that brought about this situation.

Jtarii•11m ago
Crazy to see AI slop being posted on tao's blog.

Isn't it strange how the AI disclaimer is at the end of the writing instead of the start. Almost as if they are trying to hide it.

bobajeff•5m ago
From the outside seeing academics wash over concerns and debates about this it's helped me sort of get more comfortable with around my own questions about what I want from math and computers. What I've come to realize it's that I just want tools that do a job and enjoy learning them. I also get gratification of being creative with them. I'm not in it for expanding human knowledge or seeing the beauty in the universe or the pleasure of understanding something difficult.

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