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Education Shouldn't Be Held for Ransom

https://blog.kagi.com/education-should-not-be-held-for-ransom
56•notfried•1h ago

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danielciocirlan•21m ago
Education is going to be left in tatters after AIs creep into every facet of (tech-enabled) life.

Big tech doesn’t care about teaching people to think. All the money is in the capture of attention, and AI will only make everything 100x more convenient and a no-brainer (quite literally) to pick the hard way of thought and effort for just about anything… as long as the user is caught. Education has fundamentally the opposite goal.

bemtevi•52s ago
I think you can conclude something even stronger: big tech doesn't *want* people to think, at all.
dzink•19m ago
I told the kids - if you need to search at school try DuckDuckGo or Bing :)
SeanAnderson•12m ago
I haven't felt as concerned about this news article as others.

IME, schools really don't have a good grasp on what AI means in relationship to them and what policies would result in better outcomes.

I work in the ed tech parent-teacher communication space. We offer automatic translations of communication to other languages via Google Translate. Google Translate uses AI. Schools come to us and tell us we need to disable all our AI features. We do. Then they freak out asking where their feature went. We explain. They say they don't want to lose translations they just don't want to deal with "AI stuff"

It's not clear to me if this stance from Google is a new thing. Did they recently add AI to search and are trying to use bundling behaviors to incept AI into areas it wouldn't be? Or did policy recently become rabid against the use of AI without fully appreciating the ask and ramifications? Both?

lnkdinsuxs•9m ago
This is a blessing in disguise. The worst thing we can do is build an entire generation of humans who are uniquely dependent on a specific company (or even 5) to help them think, research and learn.

From there, it's incredibly easy to have forever customers for Gemini in a variation of Black Mirror Season 7, Episode 1: "Common People". In there, the wife is Amanda (Rashida Jones), and her husband is Mike (Chris O’Dowd). Amanda receives a treatment called "Rivermind" that restores her brain function but requires an ongoing subscription, initially $300/mo. Over time, increasingly expensive tiers, worsening restrictions, and involuntary spoken advertisements make their lives untenable. Eventually, Mike ends Amanda's life at her request, while she is unaware during one of those ads.

This doesn't mean we embrace the other extreme and instead raise an entire generation that doesn't know what will be considered basic tools like Excel and Word have been since the 2000's.

Infact, what would be fantastic if we, as a society, invested in (S)LLM tools that every student "owns" and can "tune" to their liking. Almost like an assistant that "grows" with them.

The idea is that these tools are theirs, in their control and for them to manage.

Unlike Fable, it doesn't arbitrarily stop a student interested in reversing software or hardware from learning the craft because they are not a licensed researcher.

lifestyleguru•3m ago
> requires an ongoing subscription, initially $300/mo. Over time, increasingly expensive tiers

That's going to be on top of a rent, or instead of rent?

alex43578•3m ago
What’s the point of that? We don’t make students write their own dictionary or build their own calculator as a prerequisite for using those tools. To your point about Excel and Word, most students from 10/20 years ago don’t know what Lotus is or how to execute commands in the terminal, but are still able to use computers effectively in their lives. There’s a multitude of search engines and LLM providers available - if schools don’t like what Google is doing, they are free to swap.
alex43578•7m ago
It’s so funny how schools are consistently 20 years behind on things.

When I was in school, you were restricted from citing sources on the internet (regardless of reputation/quality) and had to look it up in a book instead. Now, apparently, you can’t make school work without searches, but don’t think about using AI.

Brian_K_White•3m ago
Why do you think it's funny?

It's not the new calculator nor the new index.

The only thing it has in common with the earlier examples is that it's a new thing. Wow, what a deep insightful observation!

spogbiper•5m ago
I agree with the premise, but this item is a lot of advertisement for Kagi
ReptileMan•5m ago
For what unholy purpose a school needs Google search?
alex43578•2m ago
They need search (not necessarily Google) for accessing essentially any resource on the internet. How many URLs do you know by memory? How many URLs do would you learn just by seeing a link from another site?
ahmedfromtunis•3m ago
It's ironic that Kagi uses confusion (as to not say deception) to market itself as the more ethical brand.

Google clarified that admins can turn on and off each of the options independently, including search without AI.

I don't like to defend trillion-dollar companies in my free time, but what Kagi is trying to do with this piece is not good.

bemtevi•1m ago
I don't understand this at all. To provide children with a good education, you don't need Google search. You need a good teacher who will encourage curiosity of the students and some basic materials.

I don't buy this post. It's just assumes that what Google is doing is harmful so that people will feel good about Kagi. Maybe Kagi's policy is better, but that doesn't negate the fact that Google denying search to students is holding education for ransom as the title suggests.

Of course, it IS a bad thing that Google is trying to force everyone to use AI.

AI is forcing us to pay off 40 years of technical debt

https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-in-cybersecurity-php2shell-vulnerability
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