I did have some bad experiences with OTEL and have lot of freedom on deployment ; I never read of Signoz will definitely check it out ; SigNoz is working with OTEL I suppose ?

I wonder if there are any other adapters for trace injest instead of OTEL ?

I think you're looking at OTel from a strictly infrastructure perspective - which Cloudwatch does effectively solve without any added effort. But OTel really begins to shine when you instrument your backends. Some languages (Node.js) have a whole slew of auto-instrumentation, giving you rich traces with spans detailing each step of the http request, every SQL query, and even usage of AWS services. Making those traces even more valuable is that they're linked across services.

We've frequently seen a slowdown or error at the top of our stack, and the teams are able to immediately pinpoint the problem as a downstream service. Not only that, they can see the specific issue in the downstream service almost immediately!

Once you get to that level of detail, having your infrastructure metrics pulled into your Otel provider does start to make some sense. If you observe a slowdown in a service, being able to see that the DB CPU is pegged at the same time is meaningful, etc.

[Edit - Typo!]

There are integrations that let you monitor your AWS resources also on SigNoz. That said, I personally think CloudWatch is painful in so many other ways as well,

Check this out, https://signoz.io/blog/6-silent-traps-inside-cloudWatch-that...

A child comment mentioned k8s but I also have been chomping at the bit to try out the eBPF hooks in https://github.com/pixie-io/pixie (or even https://github.com/coroot/coroot or https://github.com/parca-dev/parca ) all of which are Apache 2 licensed

The demo for https://github.com/draios/sysdig was also just amazing, but I don't have any idea what the storage requirements would be for leaving it running

I've tried and failed at tracing transactions that span multiple queues (with different backends). At the end I just published some custom metrics for the transaction's success count / failure count / duration and moved on my with life.

You can use SpanLinks to analyse your async processes. This guide might be helpful introduction: https://dev.to/clericcoder/mastering-trace-analysis-with-spa...

Also SigNoz supports rendering practically unlimited number of spans in trace detail UI and allows filtering them as well which has been really useful in analyzing batch processes: https://signoz.io/blog/traces-without-limits/

You can further run aggregation on spans to monitor failures and latency.

PS: I am SigNoz maintainer

I use Otel running in a GKE cluster and tracking Jenkins jobs, whose spans/traces can track long time running jobs pretty well

It doesn't matter how long things take. The best way to understand this is to realize that OTel tracing (and all other similar things) are really "fancy logging systems". Some agent code emits a log message every time something happens (e.g. batch job begins, batch job ends). Something aggregates those log messages into some place they can be coherently scanned. Then something scans those messages generating some visualization you view. Everything could be done with text messages in text files and some awk script. A tracing system is just that with batteries included and a pretty UI. Understood this way it should now be clear why the duration of a monitored task is not relevant -- once the "begin task" message has been generated all that has to happen is the sampling agent remembers the span ID. Then when the "end task" message is emitted it has the same span ID. That way the two can be correlated and rendered as a task with some duration. There's always a way to propagate the span ID from place to place (e.g. in a http header so correlation can be done between processes/machines). This explains sibling comments about not being able to track tasks between workflows: the span ID wasn't propagated.

We had a hell of a time attempting to roll out OTel for that kind of work. Our scale was also billions of requests per day.

We ended up taking tracing out of these jobs, and only using on requests that finish in short order, like UI web requests. For our longer jobs and fanout work, we started passing a metadata object around that appended timing data related that specific job and then at egress, would capture the timing metadata and flag abnormalities.

We have, and I won’t lie, it’s kinda a pain. The reality we discovered is that async flows are second-class citizens in otel tracing.

We essentially propagate the context manually between APIs and lambdas, through HTTP headers, SNS/SQS and even storage. We also ended up pulling Tempo’s Parquet files (we’re self-hosting the grafana stack) into Redash to be able to do real analysis. We got a lot of great insights and were able to do a lot of tuning that would have been impossible otherwise, but it was quite an investment. Would love to know if there is anything out there that would have made this less painful.

yes, the only tricky part for us were the short async jobs where the otel queue didn’t have time to process its events before the tasks exited. we just added a drain wait loop in our at_exit callbacks

Sentry isn’t really a full on observability platform. It’s for error reporting only (that is annotated with traces and logs). It turns out that for most projects, this is sufficient. Can’t comment on the vendor lock-in part.

>I was at first implementing otel throughout my api, but ran into some minor headaches and a lot of boilerplate

OTeL also has numerous integrations https://opentelemetry.io/ecosystem/registry/. In contrast, Sentry lacks traditional metrics and other capabilities that OTeL offers. IIRC, Sentry experimented with "DDM" (Delightful Developer Metrics), but this feature was deprecated and removed while still in alpha/beta.

Sentry excels at error tracking and provides excellent browser integration. This might be sufficient for your needs, but if you're looking for the comprehensive observability features that OpenTelemetry provides, you'd likely need a full observability platform.

You can run your own sentry server (or at least last time I worked with it you could). But as others have noted sentry is not going to provide the same functionality as OTel.

Think of otel as just a standard data format for your logs/traces/metrics that your backend(s) emit, and some open source libraries for dealing with that data. You can pipe it straight to an observability vendor that accepts these formats (pretty much everyone does - datadog, stackdriver, etc) or you can simply write the data to a database and wire up your own dashboards on top of it (i.e. graphana).

Otel can take a little while to understand because, like many standards, it's designed by committee and the code/documentation will reflect that. LLMs can help but the last time I was asking them about otel they constantly gave me code that was out of date with the latest otel libraries.

Ops type here, Otel is great but if your metrics are not there, please fix that. In particular, consider just import prometheus_client and going from there.

Prometheus is bog easy to run, Grafana understands it and anything involving alerting/monitoring from logs is bad idea for future you, I PROMISE YOU, PLEASE DON'T!

I'd say "track errors first" [0] and focus on APM later (if at all). If you're worried about Sentry's lock-in, know that there are API-compatible drop-in replacements[1][2] though they are less feature-complete on the APM/observability side.

[0] https://www.bugsink.com/blog/track-errors-first/

[1] https://www.bugsink.com/

[2] https://glitchtip.com/

Only SAML, Multiple ingestion keys and Premium Support is under paywall. SSO is not under paywall. Check pricing page for detailed comparison: https://signoz.io/pricing/

Ok, we've added Github to the title above.