https://web.archive.org/web/20250506145643/https://smex.org/...
The article leaves out quite a lot about what AppCloud is, but it's essentially how Samsung monetizes their non-flagship device users and can do things like insert installation advertisements into the notification tray, and silently install apps.
Personally, if I found this on my device it'd be the final straw to grit my teeth and finally get a personal apple device.
Samsung’s A and M series smartphones are their cheapest models so their buyers probably cannot afford better phones. I don’t know of any other brands selling in the region with similarly priced models that have better privacy practices than Samsung either—they’re all the same at that price point I’m afraid.
A refurbished iPhone 13 is $300 on amazon, which is close to the cheapest M ($250). I can’t find new 13’s for sale except via budget carriers.
(Sent from my 12 mini which is better than all that followed it: $200-ish for excellent condition, refurbished.)
Now hey, I won't suggest that Apple would stoop as low as Samsung has here. But discerning customers might not want Tim Apple's phone if he's been cozying up to a crusty politician that can remember to stay for dinner but can't recall his name.
Is this Amazon US? Because even in Ireland, iPhone 16 costs 41% higher than in the US (979 EUR = 1,128 USD in Ireland vs 799 USD in the US).
I mean, if I was the mosad guy planting a deal with samsung, I wouldn't even name the app "AppCloud"
heck, why would you even make it appear to the user?
this is a classic competitor-bashing article -- no substance, only hand-wavy "this guys bad!"
I'm guessing this can be traced to others like xiami/huawei/etc who definitely want to get samsung's slice of the market there
If you don’t want bloatware (spyware), it’s either pixel or iPhone.
I even refuse to buy QD-OLED monitors out of indignation that Samsung makes the panels. Maybe I'm alone but maybe one day we'll boycott lousy companies out of business.
Has any smartphone maker succeeded in getting more than a few percent of market share, released more that 2 phones while being immune to that level of fiasco ?
Genuine question.
In my case I also wanted an SD card slot so it was slim slim pickings indeed. (And still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress!)
adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.package.name
This command is very powerful as it works for any app, even those that have "disable" greyed out in the settings. I disabled the Galaxy Store on my S9 this way for example.> you can't completely remove it
Maybe my English isn’t very good but that sounds like the definition of unremovable.
Also, English is not my native language. I feel like I did get my point across anyway.
If people are paying for upgrades to storage space it's completely reasonable for them to be annoyed by bloatware
On my 128 GB Pixel 9 Pro, /data is 109 GB. The rest is /system (although `df -h` doesn't show it explicitly, no idea what's up with that) and various other system-related partitions.
Wherever you are from or whatever side of the conflict you are on, I think we can all agree that it’s never been easier to infer so much about a person from “semi-public” sources such as companies selling customer data and built-in apps that spy on their users and call home. It allows intelligence agencies to outsource intelligence gathering to the market, which is probably cheaper and a lot more convenient than traditional methods.
“Privacy is a human right” landed on deaf ears but hopefully politicians will soon realise that it’s a matter of national security too.
Check the weather today, get bombed tomorrow.
We all like to imagine this super cool clandestine hacking operation using peoples mobile phones to secretly track people who visit nuclear facilities back to their homes.
The much more logical explanation is someone approached a low level employee at the MEAF who turned over a USB stick with the governments org charts and payroll records in exchange for their kids getting a full ride to a prestigious foreign university.
It appears to be a similar case across the MENA region. While the SMEX post primarily focuses on WANA, it is possible to find other reports (e.g. [1]) from the MENA region that describe similar practices by Samsung. There, however, the stories talk about "Aura", rather than "AppCloud".
[1] https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2025/06/212144/samsung-embe...
A.k.a. I tried to be as politically correct and cite the term used by the respective reporting. The main point I was trying to bring across was that apparently there are two apps involved, not only a single one.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_and_North_Africa
WANA - West Asia & North Africa
SMEX - "a non-profit that advocates for and advances human rights in digital spaces across West Asia and North Africa." (from their website)
it just means that they don't pay taxes
Stop parroting the corporate propaganda that put us into this stupid situation in the first place. Having root access on devices you own should be a fundamental right, as otherwise it's not ownership.
Can be given control [by handset manufacturers] is an unfulfilled potential. And it will always be unfulfilled - because otherwise, users could protect themselves from manufacturers/providers foistware.
Given their reality, users root.
Seriously, you never had to provide tech support to a parent, relative, or friend whose computer got totally fucked because they had root?
You missed the countless stories about how no matter complex it is to turn off the protections, people will be tricked or forced into it? You’ve really never seen it first hand?
You people don’t know or have forgotten what a god damn wasteland computers were 20 years ago.
And equating root to ownership is laughable on its face. By that standard, root is never ownership for most people — the moment their machine is compromised because they had root and couldn’t protect, they’ve lost ownership.
Literally 0 here, have you really?
Like I literally do not know anyone who is even using Linux to begin with but also people do have “root” in their Windows and MacOS systems. I do not see anyone destroying their computers at random.
Also to steal someone’s information you don’t need root access or any administrative access - if you already tricked the user into running your code then you can steal their passwords or whatever, all of that is user-level data.
Computers were utopia 20 years ago as compared to today - especially when it comes to privacy, security and user-control.
I accept this metric. It means non-rooted devices are unsafe.
I'm career IT support. In the entire age of smartphones, 100% of the malware/crapware I've seen was on non-rooted devices - most of it pushed on users by manufacturers, carriers and OS devs.
I am all for right to repair and ownership and whatnot, but I really think you underestimate how little people care about basic security and the baseline aptitude with computers.
I'm not trying to be the jaded IT person, but if you've never worked in IT, you have no idea how helpless and clueless people really are with electronics. They could be a brilliant engineer but want to install The Shopping Plus App that will give them Great Super Deals And Savings!
Edit: I should clarify, this is a bad thing, but giving everyone easy root on their phones isn't the solution and would have far worse outcomes.
These additional restrictions are not there for security despite what we are told.
I've had to cloak the rooted state from an app or two or they'd choose to withhold functionality. That was a couple of phones ago. I've not had trouble with banking, payments, etc since.
However, all this comes with the caveat that SafetyNet will flay you alive. The cat and mouse game with Magisk and other methods to maintain root undetected is moot when I've used apps these days that make a fuss when you have developer settings enabled. To be honest, that seems acceptable to me, I can do what I want with my device, software vendors like banks and the like have a say in how I choose to access their more convenient services. I can play nice with them if I want, even using a second phone perhaps, but I have a choice.
Similarly it is pretty messed up when people say stuff like “fire can burn you if you aren’t careful” because so many people rely on fire for food and warmth.
Having root access is not in the interest OR benefit of most regular users. Rooting your phone is a footgun for 99% of people who install random apps and will get hacked and have their life savings transferred or ransomed.
For them the article does the right thing. For everyone else, like you or me, we will not care what this article says anyway.
That's why what Samsung does is double bad. Noot rooting phone is good hygiene if your phone respects you. But if it comes with malware then thats a stab in the back.
What about desktop OSes for the last 40/50 years?
Sure they aren’t the foam-padded locked down phone OSes, but isn’t this fear a case of leaving said padded room?
If you talk to regular non IT savvy people many of them don't bother and correctly assume that at some point it will "get a virus" or something. And it is fine for them because almost no one uses desktop for critical stuff like payment or finance. But majority do use phones for that. They jumped from cash straight to phones and now it's a lucrative attack vector.
Edit to reply because throttled by downvotes: yea I'm in your boat, we live in a bubble. It's hard to believe. But now I'm using a payment system that literally has "get app" on its site and no other way to manage money or even sign up. No one cares apparently.
And I see how it happened. Many people have no personal desktop computers. Many payment providers don't trust desktop computers because an ordinary person's windows machine is a malware breeder.
So many people in the world depend on mobile security (especially underprivileged people). Anyone who wants them all to get fucked for own libertarian ideal of "hardware ownership" is basically a psychopath to me. Especially considering that he is literally free to root his device and not create a problem for others, and yet he does.
I'm not saying this is wrong (in fact I assume it is accurate), but relative to my life experience this is crazy to me.
These restrictions extend outside the particular device. It must also be illegal as a commercial entity to enforce security schemes which involve remote attestation of the software stack on the client device such that service providers can refuse to service clients based on failing attestation. Service providers have other means of protecting themselves, taking away users control of their own devices is a heavy handed and unnecessarily draconian approach which ultimately only benefits the ad company that happens to make the software stack since they also benefit from restricting what software users can run. Hypothetically, they might be interested in making it impossible to modify video players to skip ads.
Especially in Africa, where privacy and consumer rights are probably less relevant than the US/EU.
As an aside, I recall getting a lot more ads when I used Samsung Keyboard.
Capitalist technologies are the surveillance state incarnate. They must study people in order to manufacture consent.
Remember democracy is majority rule, when have you ever had true control over your political destiny? You KNOW the answer is never.
Democracy =/= trust.
Democracy = control.
Yes the Unity 3D engine company wow.
"this company is from israel (so must be mosad)" or "has notorious for its questionable practices" (without even giving actual examples or incidents)?
I mean, if you're the mosad guy making a deal with samsung, why would you even make it appear to the user?
this is a classic competitor-bashing article -- no substance, only hand-wavy "this guys bad!"
"non-profit" doesn't make "smex" the morally-right side of the game. it just means they don't pay taxes and receive donations...
maybe it's time to trace where those donation money comes from? smells like competitors (xiaomi, huawei) who wants to take a cut from samsung?
I don't see how any company can compete with this unless they somehow figure out how to make a vastly superior product.
So the question is who would we like to be exploited by?
I was able to disable it but not remove it, unclear if it will re-enable itself. It had sent about 35mb of data since March 1st, and was enabled as a background service.
I did not expect the thing I made games with as a teen to be involved in a global war.
sneak•3h ago
We need to decouple phone hardware from phone software, as we did with computers.
bilkow•3h ago
As it's usually not viable to opt-out of those, the solution seems to be having a separate device.