Really, what’s the difference between this and virtual bands like Gorillaz?
> and apparently people like it.
That remains to be seen. The early plays were bought to get the recommendations. (Tens of thousands of plays, but all within ~100 of each other for the less popular tracks) We really don't know how many people listened to this yet.
The comparison is that they are both fictional bands. The received popularity of the music is irrelevant.
Did you not understand the point of the GP?
(No, I didn't get what comparison was being made. It's so different I didn't realise anyone would do that)
First, people listen to absolute garbage. General taste is not a standard. Second, the quality of the music doesn't make other problems magically disappear. This music is built on enormous amounts of other people's music, and at the same time threatens to almost completely undermine music making, from amateur to megastar. That's a problem.
Unless I’m reading this wrong, I assume many of those streams were from people seeing the mystery on social media and checking out the songs. The article tries to imply it was all organic success from people who liked it, but it’s clear that the mystery of the AI generated music was part of the social media explosion that propelled the listens.
https://www.youtube.com/@MastersOfProphecy
I don't like any of the music, but I did stumble across an AI song I actually thought was pretty good the other day.
We shouldn't be worried about the ones that are obviously AI. We should be worried about the ones which are stealth and under-the-radar. This time next year I would imagine AI will have a #1 track somewhere in the world.
That song may have already been generated/written.
https://restofworld.org/2024/ai-song-flowgpt-bad-bunny/
Previously (no discussion at the time, but if you're here now, go ahead below):
sherdil2022•8h ago
Sad state of affairs for creatives and non-creatives alike.
echelon•8h ago
The new "is it Photoshop?"
It'll be so pervasive that the average Instagram user will become fluent.
People are going to get so used to this technology. It's going to be added to everything.
> Sad state of affairs for creatives and non-creatives alike.
Heavy disagree. I absolutely love AI generated content, and my friends and I have been using the tools quite a bit:
https://youtu.be/Tii9uF0nAx4
https://youtu.be/tAAiiKteM-U
https://youtu.be/H4NFXGMuwpY
Other people are making really cool stuff, too.
Hollywood never catered to what I wanted. We lived in a drought where 20,000 yearly film students had to fight for 100 roles of autonomy (most often won by nepotism). I certainly never made it, despite trying. Now I can make the stuff I want to see for myself.
SoftTalker•8h ago
Not cool if you're a media corporation generating something, slapping DRM on it, and trying to pass it off as the work of real human artists so that they don't have to pay real human artists.
aspenmayer•8h ago
SoftTalker•7h ago
echelon•6h ago
aspenmayer•6h ago
Would you feel defrauded to find out that you had knowingly paid money for a “work of art” created by AI, if you have previously found it to your satisfaction?
I tend to not care too much myself. I trust my own sense of taste. If I enjoy content, I probably won’t care if AI made it, though I’ll admit a pro-human bias, because humans are capable of suffering and lack. Part of being pro-human for me is being fine with others using tools and techniques to reduce effort and especially drudgery.
I still use spellcheck. I don’t use dictation tools or read aloud tools, but I am human and I struggle like anyone else to exert myself. I just don’t require assistance to do those things right now, but I know that may change at a moment’s notice. Though I don’t “need” assistive technology or devices presently, I still enjoy and prefer subtitles even now.
If you need to use tools to consume or produce, I won’t look down on you. Just be honest about it. If you used AI to make something, just say so. It’s not a personal failing to use AI tools, but it is a failing to use them and then lie about it.
Photojournalists know what I mean, as they can do in-camera techniques as long as it isn’t misrepresenting how a scene appears to a person basically, whereas most post-processing techniques are not really considered in comporting with professional ethics because representation of reality is the aim and goal, not making aesthetic decisions or staging photos as if they are naturalistic, but documenting actual events that transpired independently of the people capturing the events on camera.
But there’s a point where what we have doesn’t have enough cooks in the kitchen, as silly as that sounds. AI generated subtitles are often wrong, and there’s no way as a human who is reading them to suggest corrections on most platforms. Now we have AI automated dubbing, which I have only used a few times. It seems mostly fine, but I don’t think failures are as obvious in that case if I don’t speak the source language, so I guess I’m mostly speaking of closed captions or subtitles in languages I speak, since other errors I wouldn’t notice to begin with, such as errors in translation.
How much art isn’t being made til now, not for lack of will, drive, desire, or grit, but inability to develop skills and taste because they don’t have arms, literally or metaphorically. Isn’t it a bit like gatekeeping art to say that art made by AI isn’t a true work of art? AI tools aren’t self-directed or self-aware. There is a human involved somewhere, and they are a patron of the arts at the very least, if not an editor. I view the human in the loop as legitimate an artist as Andy Warhol at his height of production capacity. He didn’t even make art. He made decisions about what art is once he saw it in the world. His art was recontextualization. AI is just going through the looking glass.
So it goes. Same as it ever was? Wasn’t it ever thus? Art is for us by us, but that’s not a given. I didn’t make the flower I admire, either, nor the apple of my eye.
Don’t let anything steal your joy, even you and your own preconceived notions of what joy ought be caused by, or you’re just raining on your own parade and those of others, or becoming an old person shaking their fist at a cloud. We’re making rainbows if you’d just wait.
satvikpendem•6h ago
0xfaded•7h ago
How would you feel if these were presented amongst a sea of other clips that were prompted by "create a short video that captures the attention of a 25-30yo male", presumably in the hope of syphoning a few cents from Instagram?
I recently bought a book to read on a flight, and it was the first time it occured to me there was no way to verify the thing was written by a human other than to check that it was published before ~2023. Part of what I, at least, feel when reading a book is a connection to another human and our shared experience that lead them to tell their story. For me this experience is steeply cheapened by the thought that that connection might not be with a human.
I feel similarly about the Ghibli style transfer craze. AI generated images may be "cool", but you no longer know if you're connecting to an artist. At least in the case of Ghibli, their work is well known so it's possible to tell. Where's the room for human creatives to create new original art styles? The rightful default assumption is that anything post 2023 came out of a model as some mash-up of inputs stolen from anonymous no-names.
FWIW, this is coming from a non-creative atheist who has long belived humans are nothing more than probabilistic biological machines.
userbinator•5h ago
pona-a•3h ago
These generators are creative Speakwrites that strip that element of thought, only padding out a short core description with cliché. The resulting work doesn't have any layers of subtext or intentionality; it can be fully summarized by its prompt.
urbandw311er•2h ago
badsectoracula•5h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj-dJvGVb-w
(i loved those videos btw)