But WebGL comes with drawbacks:
- You need JS code running before anything shows up.
- Shaders can’t directly manipulate the DOM render. To make refraction work, you’d have to re-render everything into a canvas—which isn’t really “the web” anymore.
With the SVG/CSS approach, you can pre-render the displacement map (at build time or on the backend) and get the refraction visible on the very first frame. Plus, it integrates cleanly with existing, traditional UIs.
That said, this approach could definitely be improved. Ideally we’d have shader-like features in the SVG Filter spec (there was a proposal, but it seems abandoned). There are some matrix operations available in SVG Filters, but they’re limited—and for my first blog post I wanted to focus more on pedagogy, art, and technique than heavy optimization.
But I don’t think css can leverage the gpu in most (any?) cases. Apple has almost certainly baked something into the silicon to help handle the ui.
I planned to fix the performance issues before posting here (since I knew HN would be quick to point that out), but somebody posted it first. You’re absolutely right — it’s pretty slow right now and needs optimization.
And it’s not just the refraction/displacement map: plenty of other parts, like visualisations, aren’t optimized yet either.
It ran perfectly smoothly with no perf hit in 2020 mba m1. there are no issues with this.
Man the ptsd that AIs have given us from sentences like this.
(Safari stills seems to be a bit slow to render SVGs)
Anyway, I did not expect this blog post to be on HN, so still things to improve on it.
> The interactive demo at the end currently works in Chrome only (due to SVG filters as backdrop‑filter). You can still read the article and interact with the inline simulations in other browsers.
Chrome‑only demo
The interactive demo at the end currently works in Chrome only (due to SVG filters as backdrop‑filter).
You can still read the article and interact with the inline simulations in other browsers.
PS Neat website and explanations, but talking about the liquid glass as a design principle in general, I would rather ui elements in a random website not use that much of gpu for not great reasons but maybe that's my problem of not thinking different.
These are in the specification here: https://drafts.fxtf.org/filter-effects-1/#typedef-filter-url
And used by backdrop-filter here: https://drafts.fxtf.org/filter-effects-2/#BackdropFilterProp...
It works on Chromium-based browsers but it does not look great, probably needs some filtering.
Besides that, very impressed by the article presentation.
But liquid glass is such a horrible idea for a UI!
Now I feel like an old person, but I live with glasses every day and absolutely love clean UI's.
Introducing glass lens f*ckery just for the sake of it is terrible.
Apple lost the plot on design after Steve Jobs died and Jony Ive assumed full control.
It's not Jony Ive's fault. That's the nature of their partnership, he created and Steve Jobs edited. Ive, of all people, probably lost the most when Steve Jobs died.
It's all been downhill ever since. Ousting Jony Ive and putting Alan Dye in charge didn't help.
The problem remains: there's no longer an editor in charge.
Apple fans like to think that they've recovered a little since the iOS 7 debacle, but in reality it's just self delusion.
Most people's reaction to the iOS 7 design disaster was: "ooh this feels like a whole new phone".
So there's that.
Great article though.
Unconvinced about the usability case for 'glass'.
Once again, Apple takes off and nukes it's developer ecosystem from orbit.
This is "just" a glass shader.
Here is an implementation: https://codepen.io/lenymo/pen/pJzWVy
As someone who also do interactive articles from time to time, I'm wondering what is the tech stack you are using to make these?
But it was just a first try, lots of things are still unoptimized. I'll try to do better in a next article.
The whole blog entry is a piece of art and on one level with Bartosz Ciechanowski's work. If you want to make money from it, you will have to find less niche subject's, though.
What I loved most though is the website design and the carefully crafted interactive visualizations! For me, they're on the same level as those of Bartosz Ciechanowski and Josh Comeau. I really want to see the source code...
The stuttering has already been pointed out here so I won’t pile on.
That said, I've seen many attempt to recreate the effect on web but you've outdone them all. The variety and mathematical modeling of edge shapes elevates this implementation above the rest.
If you decide to continue with this, I would love to see:
1. chromatic aberration along displaced areas
2. higher resolution in the refraction
Many people discussing performance issues but this runs like butter on my M3 Pro.
delta_p_delta_x•5mo ago
One thing I'd say is to apply some anti-aliasing (MSAA, SMAA?)—even on a 4K display with a pixel density of 64.3 px/cm, the jaggies are visible, especially because of the extreme contrast of the caustics behind the dark background.
rezmason•5mo ago
Regardless, this is a great writeup for changes I wish to never see in ordinary UI.