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This is the pit into which HP and IBM have fallen. They want to maintain margins to keep Wall Street happy, but the easiest way to do that is by cutting costs. Eventually this will be visible in declining sales, which IBM has now experienced for three straight years. Yet with a combination of clever accounting and bad judgement even declining sales can be masked… for awhile.so, far from ironic in my opinion.
Apologies!
This phrase "confusing the scoreboard with the game" is golden!
IL14 is a lot better than Cringely's commentary on it: https://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/chapter2_86.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuligo_septica
Harvesting, cooking and eating Dog Vomit Slime Mold:
Given that your largest customers are generally your most profitable, the market was simply telling AutoDesk at the time that it was spending more than its peers selling to large enterprises and matching per-seat SMB sales costs shouldn't be their benchmark for enterprise sales costs.
By shifting the target from $500 to $375/seat cost of sales, AutoDesk would have kept their margins but doubled their returns. Alternatively, AutoDesk could keep the cost of sales unchanged ($500) and bump up the enterprise price from $1,000 to a little over $1,125, and achieve the same goal. The market doesn't care which approach AutoDesk takes, but it knows the company was giving away too much margin on enterprise sales. Most modern SaaS companies today take the later approach, except they would charge enterprises $2,500/seat instead of a little over $1,125/seat.
AutoDesk has had some very forward thinking senior leadership at different points in its history, but it's also made some missteps. Writing a wonderful assault on the accounting industry instead of realizing that enterprises will pay $2,500 for the same thing SMB's are buying for $1,000 is an example of one of those missteps (and yes, AutoDesk eventually figured how to screw over customers with pricing, but that's another misstep, explaining why I no longer own any AutoDesk products).
Management should know there are alternative strategies, and ideally should know which of those is best.
But accounting policies bake strategic implications into their reporting.
Which is why we are where we are - on the verge of a catastrophic crash, because genius Wall St analysts are chasing the gilded AI bubble, while the rest of the economy is starved of consumer spending.
With much more to come.
I'd like to know how an accountant would respond to the above. Based on his two examples, it seems like accounting rules really distort the financial picture of a company.
And even if they do provide those numbers, you still need to scrutinize the cash flow statement and balance sheet.
Amortizing CAPEX, claiming it's innovation and building on the future when it's done by consultancy having a 1-3y turn over.
Oh and let's fake maintenance works under "projects".
I am not accountant, so there might be some stuff missing but the 3 upper points are stuff I have seen in many companies.
True but most public companies reporting under GAAP tend to play roughly similar games to roughly similar degrees. So these metrics alone may not reflect much objective reality about a particular company at a given moment but can be useful in benchmarking the relative performance of similar types of companies against each other.
If everyone is optimizing their GAAP figures, eventually everyone converges on a similar number you can compare across companies
Downside is that if you don’t play the game you’re sort of screwing yourself
And, if there's some outside dealer that can make a profit taking their $500 cut, but you need to pay all of the $500 out-- it seems like your sales function is less efficient-- less efficient than the rest of Autodesk and less efficient than the outside dealer.
Margins aren't everything. Absent outside judgment, I think I'd rather make, say, $175 profit from $1k of revenue than $125 from $500. But I wouldn’t trade $125 on $500 for $126 on $1,000.
And, of course, there's always the strategic concerns. Control of accounts, opportunities to upsell or cross-sell, etc, etc. Financial reporting can't tell the whole story, because you can't boil down the whole story of a company to a few numbers. It's the triumph of GAAP that it's a pretty dang good start to understanding most companies.
Reality is once you’ve established a baseline it’s difficult to move from one to the other or have substantial changes to the negative for either.
Someone asked for news of him recently here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44739987 , but there were no actual answers...
I think this is why I have so much respect for Pat Gelsinger. He really was trying to save Intel, so much so that it cost him his job.
Foreground is a product of the background.
His “Autodesk File” is an interesting read because it’s not the usual “just so” kind of startup memoir that tries to explain how success was preordained by the founder’s genius, but instead a collection of actual documents like memos in chronological order:
It took a while before I had mentally linked the 'Autodesk' founder to the person I was interacting with and I think he had a quiet chuckle or two when I finally found out. What is so interesting to me is that instead of clinging to power at Autodesk he managed to let go of it and enjoy his (way too short) time afterwards.
We never met, unfortunately.
I was amused by his book "the hacker's diet": https://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/
I’ve never seen a software company pay 50% commissions on a software sale. I know it’s and example but the percentages are wrong even for the perpetually licensed days. Should be closer to 8-15%.
Totally sales and marketing spend could indeed be higher in this model because autodesk moved to direct positioning with end buyers rather than distributors.
We both used the name "Acme" in our gadget names and he came by to see what I was building. He was wearing a Wile E. Coyote avatar.
It wasn't until after he left that I noticed he was one of the original authors of AutoCAD.
He was very prolific at writing code in Second Life from the beginning of the pandemic until shortly before his death.
He was very thorough in writing documentation for all the free code he wrote, and even included detailed diaries of his development of his neat gadgets.
His products were all removed from the Second Life store after his death, but I'm trying to get it all back up for people to enjoy. The code is still on github, but I'm trying to recreate some of the 3d objects needed for that code to work.
ghaff•8h ago
HP, by contrast, has been somewhat adrift even after all the boardroom drama.
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ghaff•1h ago
A few years ago I got a broom vac and that seems to make the most sense.
kamranjon•8h ago
ghaff•8h ago
So, overall, seems a pretty decent business at this point although not something that is on a lot of HN readers' radars. Yes, it's oriented towards large companies and public sector.
WillAdams•7h ago
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/09/ibm-paid-pa-33m-to-set...
(apparently there were enough states with this problem that there was talk of a class-action lawsuit?)
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In 2021 they spun off the consultancy business and now seem to just sell software and hardware.
The spin off, Kyndryl, is burdened with unprofitable contacts and is still slashing and burning its workforce.
IBM doesn’t seem to be making a comeback in SaaS or whatnot, they seem to just have split their problems down the middle but not solved them.