I don't understand the appeal here. When Microsoft added some RAW support for Windows, I've never used it for anything except thumbnails in File Explorer.
If you're shooting RAW it's because you want to edit the photos in the kind of tool that will never be natively included in the OS. Otherwise shoot JPEG (or whatever format the iPhone shoots because universal standards are never good enough for Apple)
xattt•1h ago
I thought iOS exported DNG…
Ayesh•24m ago
iOS shoots HEIF natively I think.
Raw photos probably are shot in DNG. DNG "images" are popular for raw images because theyb can be losslessly converted from to the camera raw formats like the Nikon's, and DNG is open source and royalty free.
kccqzy•21m ago
The iOS camera format control is one of the most confusing UIs in iOS. It first asks you to select between high efficiency and most compatible (HEIF vs JPEG). Then it asks you whether you want ProRAW. Then under ProRAW it asks whether you want JPEG lossless, JPEG XL lossless or lossy. That doesn’t even include the in-app control of JPEG Max (which AFAIK is just 48 MP JPEG).
mr_toad•36m ago
> because universal standards are never good enough for Apple
JPEG is almost as outdated as SMS.
Arainach•4m ago
Old doesn't mean outdated. TCP is ancient and we still use it for a bunch of stuff.
JPEG is good enough, not encumbered by IP concerns, and universally supported. That makes it better than an alternative that is "better" in a less important dimension but worse in broad support.
kccqzy•24m ago
I think Apple still has aspirations to include professional-level photography in their OS so a photographer could do advanced RAW edits with just the OS.
The article says:
> photographers can take full advantage of Apple’s fantastic RAW engine, even when Apple itself does not support a RAW file, which is, unfortunately, a common problem for photographers using macOS, of which there are many.
And I’m also curious about how this RAW engine is fantastic even when it doesn’t support a RAW file. I guess people who actually shoot RAW can answer that. (I shoot JPEG on my camera.)
alistairSH•1m ago
Apple bought Pixelmator/Photomator last year, though I have no idea what their roadmap looks like or if they plan to turn those into native apps or OS features.
Every camera manufacturer has their own RAW format. Apple produces a general-purpose RAW engine that can process many of those formats, but not all of them, and with a few notable misses, as noted in the linked article. The RAW engine is considered pretty good, fast/efficient, but overly aggressive on some of its defaults (noise reduction to the point of detail loss). The native Photos app also doesn't have many advanced RAW tools for editing the RAWs.
I posted my current workflow in a sibling - basically, I use Photomator for edits (Lightroom competitor, now owned by Apple) and Photos for library management and sharing. Works fine for me as a enthusiasts, but unlikely to work for a professional (and probably not for enthusiasts who like tinkering with their photos more than I do).
alistairSH•6m ago
I occasionally shoot RAW, use Apple's OSes, and primarily shoot with an OM-System mirrorless camera.
Currently, I'm using Photomator alongside Apple Photos. Workflow is roughly...
- Import photos from camera into Photos
- Edit photos in Photomator
- Share photos to Shared Library in Photos
Wife will also share her photos via Shared Library so I can edit.
For non-professional this works well. Native file library integration (including shared library and shared albums), edit across all OS variants (iOS, iPadOS, MacOS), and Photomator is as close to native as you can get today (they're owned by Apple).
pklausler•59m ago
Do these tools support Nikon's "high-efficiency" compressed NEF files? I suspect that they're encumbered by patents.
viktorcode•54m ago
> “The only thing I have is Preview, and I have to look at one photo at a time,” Shan says. “It’s crazy. I got fed up with it so I looked at different apps.”
Select files in Finder, option + double click on them, and you have many photo files accessible in a single Preview window.
Arainach•1h ago
If you're shooting RAW it's because you want to edit the photos in the kind of tool that will never be natively included in the OS. Otherwise shoot JPEG (or whatever format the iPhone shoots because universal standards are never good enough for Apple)
xattt•1h ago
Ayesh•24m ago
Raw photos probably are shot in DNG. DNG "images" are popular for raw images because theyb can be losslessly converted from to the camera raw formats like the Nikon's, and DNG is open source and royalty free.
kccqzy•21m ago
mr_toad•36m ago
JPEG is almost as outdated as SMS.
Arainach•4m ago
JPEG is good enough, not encumbered by IP concerns, and universally supported. That makes it better than an alternative that is "better" in a less important dimension but worse in broad support.
kccqzy•24m ago
The article says:
> photographers can take full advantage of Apple’s fantastic RAW engine, even when Apple itself does not support a RAW file, which is, unfortunately, a common problem for photographers using macOS, of which there are many.
And I’m also curious about how this RAW engine is fantastic even when it doesn’t support a RAW file. I guess people who actually shoot RAW can answer that. (I shoot JPEG on my camera.)
alistairSH•1m ago
Every camera manufacturer has their own RAW format. Apple produces a general-purpose RAW engine that can process many of those formats, but not all of them, and with a few notable misses, as noted in the linked article. The RAW engine is considered pretty good, fast/efficient, but overly aggressive on some of its defaults (noise reduction to the point of detail loss). The native Photos app also doesn't have many advanced RAW tools for editing the RAWs.
I posted my current workflow in a sibling - basically, I use Photomator for edits (Lightroom competitor, now owned by Apple) and Photos for library management and sharing. Works fine for me as a enthusiasts, but unlikely to work for a professional (and probably not for enthusiasts who like tinkering with their photos more than I do).
alistairSH•6m ago
Currently, I'm using Photomator alongside Apple Photos. Workflow is roughly... - Import photos from camera into Photos - Edit photos in Photomator - Share photos to Shared Library in Photos
Wife will also share her photos via Shared Library so I can edit.
For non-professional this works well. Native file library integration (including shared library and shared albums), edit across all OS variants (iOS, iPadOS, MacOS), and Photomator is as close to native as you can get today (they're owned by Apple).