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Outdated Samsung handset linked to fatal emergency call failure in Australia

https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/18/samsung_emergency_call_failure/
44•doener•1h ago

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drcongo•1h ago
Why would an outdated OS prevent emergency calls specifically?
dietr1ch•1h ago
I remember an old Android crashed or something. Maybe it still carried that bug?
seethishat•1h ago
What happens if I don’t act?

Under the Government’s Emergency Service Call Determination, all mobile network operators are required to block devices from their networks that are not configured to access emergency call services. If your device is on the list of impacted devices, you will have 28 days from when we notify you to update the software or replace your device to stay connected to the Telstra network. After this time, the device will be blocked from accessing all Australian mobile networks.

Can I still use my phone on my home Wi-Fi after it is blocked?

Yes. Your phone can connect to a Wi-Fi network for data purposes only. However, blocked devices won’t be able to make or receive voice calls over Wi-Fi, including emergency calls, or send and receive SMS.

https://www.telstra.com.au/exchange/older-mobile-devices-cal...

charcircuit•1h ago
For example if your phone only makes emergency calls over 3G and the carrier shuts down 3G, then you will be unable to make emergency calls anymore.
aaronmdjones•1h ago
If the OS doesn't recognise it as an emergency number then it may fail the call if it believes that whatever network it is associated with won't connect it ("No service" vs "Emergency calls only" indicators etc if you are out of coverage from your SIM's network but within range of other networks).

Emergency calling is supposed to work over any network (even without a SIM card inserted, much less an activated, registered, associated one), but only if the OS tries to dial it as an emergency call.

johann8384•54m ago
But this wasn't a new emergency number.
dundarious•11m ago
It's not about the "age" of the number at all, devices are mandated to try all available networks when it is a recognized emergency number. In this case, even though the number was indeed a device-recognized emergency number, it failed to try all available networks as mandated. The article mentions Triple Zero several times, but not because that is specifically noteworthy beyond it being the typical emergency number.
joshuaissac•1h ago
Some handsets do not connect to secondary networks for emergency calls without the update that fixes the problem.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-22/samsung-mobile-device...

jerlam•1h ago
Emergency calls often aren't just normal phone calls. At least in the US, they're required to transmit their location to the operator, and this is the case in many other countries as well. I doubt the technologies are standardized.
shkkmo•1h ago
This is explained if you click through the link to the Samsung post about this issue.

> Australian mobile operators and Samsung have identified a number of older mobile devices that will not correctly connect to an alternative mobile network to make Triple Zero calls when the customer’s primary mobile network is unavailable. These devices need to be updated or replaced to make sure they work reliably in an emergency.

everdrive•1h ago
>"Customer safety remains our highest priority," said CEO Iñaki Berroeta.

It's fun to imagine a world where a lie like this could be a legal liability. I mean an actual court case, where evidence is brought and the claim is tested. "Is customer safety a higher priority than shareholder value?" and "why don't you support old devices" and then Samsung would need to produce internal evidence to try to make their case.

Nothing like that will ever happen, but I can dream.

neom•1h ago
Is this puffery or not? I don't know, IANAL, but maybe? I checked and Puffery is legal in Australia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery
NooneAtAll3•56m ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery

literally the definition from there

> Puffery is undue or exaggerated praise

talking about yourself is not "praise"

I wonder if it can go as false advertizing, tho...

NuclearPM•42m ago
You don’t need to tell people that you are not a lawyer. That is the default.
goldeneye13_•1h ago
Chances are there will be securities fraud case. Where they will refer to statements such as these and the fact that it wasn’t really the case. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...
FridayoLeary•35m ago
I think it would be a worse world then the one we live in today where we allow some leeway for exaggerations.

As it is everyone and everything are overly careful of saying anything that might have legal implications. One outcome of that are new laws that are almost incomprehensible.

SketchySeaBeast•1h ago
Wow, that list on the Samsung site is concerning. The S21 is a 2021 phone. Absolutely realistic people would still be using it, and outside of a tired battery I'll bet it's performing just fine.
ljf•1h ago
I only just stopped using my HUAWEI P20 Pro - which I bought in 2018 - the phone was still great and handled everything I needed it to - plus the camera was amazing. I just got a new phone as the battery life was getting silly and it began restarting all the time - and I'm not loving it compared to the P20 Pro.

I think a 7 year old phone has no reason to not be suitable to 90% of what people want from a phone (in my case it was 100%). Frustrating to see them abandoned by manufacturers.

jerlam•1h ago
The fix is just a software update for that phone, it's not on the replacement list.
SketchySeaBeast•1h ago
Ah, ok, that makes a lot more sense.
stronglikedan•46m ago
I literally just upgraded from that a month ago, and only because of the degraded battery (which I was fine with but I was going on a trip and didn't want the headache). There's dozens of us, Jerry!
Magi604•40m ago
My S21 Ultra is the best phone I've ever had. I bought it a couple of months from when it was newly released and it just will not die. I've traveled with it, played all the games, thousands of photos, used it for nearly a year while I was doing gig driving (so plugged in and screen on for hours at a time), dropped countless times, and the screen has no cracks and the battery still lasts more than a day with regular use. For the past few years every new Samsung smartphone has piqued my interest, and the second my S21 dies I will buy whatever Samsung flagship happens to be the latest, but it just will not die.
computerex•26m ago
Same. I have now turned my s21 ultra into a full on gaming console with the following emulators installed on it: drastic, melonds, m64plusfz, citra, snes9x, super8plus, redream, superpsx, ppsspp, duckstation, aethersx2, ppss22, cemu, dolphin, eden, sudachi, citron. And even winlator.

It plays everything below switch flawlessly. Even on switch it'll run literally everything I have thrown at it from BoTW to ToTK to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, albeit with poor performance. But lighter switch games like Super Smash Bros Ultimate or even the newer Super Mario Bros Wonder run flawlessly. Hollow Knight runs flawlessly.

I have an OLED steam deck, but I LOVE the portability of this phone. I play with it using the bsp d8 pro controller as well as the xbox series s controller using a magsafe case and a magsafe clamp that attaches to the controller. Phone works great for 3ds emulation as well.

Also the battery charges so quickly after a gaming session. It really is a wonderful gaming device.

skeezyjefferson•1h ago
the price you pay for making telephones into computers. i love em but boy do they fuck up regularly.
tlb•38m ago
I'm trying to imagine a conversation with a Bell engineer in the 80s explaining that, in the future, a 4-year old phone won't be expected to call 911 any more.
fabioborellini•22m ago
These phones couldn’t do the thing in question even when 0 years old, due to a bug, and failure to fix that is the reason for getting blocked from the networks
mindslight•14m ago
context: from a landline you could call 911 even without a phone handset, simply by (un)touching the wires with the right timing. And this would even work in a multi-day power outage thanks to the battery banks at the central office.
WarOnPrivacy•27m ago

    Handset Manufacturer: "We strongly encourage customers
    to keep their mobile devices updated with the latest software"
After a decade or two in a world where updates (routinely!) sabotage user experience (including handset updates), users have learned to not trust manufacturer recommendations.

When manufactures say "We strongly encourage customers to update", we hear "To juice short-term shareholder value, our product will suck more than ever". Because that was the actual message the last 5x.

WarOnPrivacy•23m ago

    Wireless Telco: "Telstra also warned last month that older,
    non-upgradeable Samsung devices could fail Triple Zero calls
Which can be less of a problem if there are full-digit emergency numbers that could be saved as a contact (preferably quick-dial).

Auto-call routing can fail if you're on one side of a regional border but are connected to a cell on the other - and local EMS can't forward calls to the neighboring EMS (or just suck at it).

I used to live on a border and local EMS was 3-digit only. The only way to call the correct EMS was to call their non-emergency number and get forwarded - but only after getting scolded first for not calling the 3-digit number.

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