https://moltroad.com/ comes to mind. The "top rated" on there describes itself as "trading in neural contraband".
That's in addition to all of the actual hijacking hacks that have been going on.
I'm not saying any of this is successful, but people are certainly trying.
On the other hand, the people most inclined to hand over access to everything to this bot also strike me as people without a lot to lose? I don't want to make an unfair characterization or anything, it just strikes me that handing over the keys to your entire life/identity is a lot more palatable if you don't have much to lose anyway?
Am I missing something?
The prompt injection possibilities are incredibly obvious... the entire world has write access to your agent.
???????
It’s definitely not it it’s final form but it’s showing potential.
All this is running on a cheap VPS, where the worst it has access to is the LLM and Discord API keys and AnkiWeb login.
Also, if you think about it, billions of people aren't running Moltbot at all.
And these AI people just act as if that's never a problem.
It uses kernel-level security primitives (Landlock on Linux, Seatbelt on macOS) to create sandboxes where unauthorized operations are structurally impossible. API keys are also stored in apples secure enclave (or the kernel keyring in linux) , and injected at run time and zeroized from memory after use. There is also some blocking of destructive actions (rm -rf ~/)
its as simple to run as: nono run --profile openclaw -- openclaw gateway
You can also use it to sandbox things like npm install:
nono run --allow node_modules --allow-file package.json package.lock npm install pkg
Its early in, there will be bugs! PR's welcome and all that!
That said, I still don't trust it and have it quarantined in a VPS. It's still surprisingly useful even though it doesn't have access to anything that I value. Tell it to do something and it'll find a way!
Is the only real answer sandboxing + zero trust + treating agents as hostile by default? Or is this category fundamentally incompatible with least privilege?
yikes
/i
no, they documented it
https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/security#node-execution-sys...
All these companies/projects break decades of our security practice and sell you AI browser, AI agent for... I don't know what?
dotancohen•1h ago
lxgr•1h ago
At least currently, I don't think we have good ways of preventing the former, but the latter should be possible to avoid.
ethin•57m ago
It's just as bad as a lot of the vibe-coders I've seen. I literally saw this vibe-coder who created an app without even knowing what they wanted to create (as in, what it would do), and the AI they were using to vibe-code literally handwrote a PE parser to load DLLs instead of using LoadLibrary or delay loading. Which, really, is the natural consequence of giving someone access to software engineering tools when they don't know the first thing about it. Is that gatekeeping of a sort? Maybe, but I'd rather have that then "anyone can write software, and oh by the way this app reimplements wcslen in Rust because the vibe-coder had no idea what they were even doing".
lxgr•48m ago
That is indeed the point. Moltbot reminds me a lot of the demon core experiment(s): Laughably reckless in hindsight, but ultimately also an artifact of a time of massive scientific progress.
> Is that gatekeeping of a sort? Maybe, but I'd rather have that
Serious question: What do you gain from people not being able to vibe code?
hugey010•42m ago
lxgr•22m ago
I suppose it's going to be harder to identify obvious slop at a first glance, but fundamentally, what changes?
chrisjj•48m ago
Some people actually fell for "move fast and break things".
ejcho•45m ago
Just ship anything and everything as fast as possible because all that matters is growth at all costs. Security is hard and it takes time, diligence, and effort and investors aren't going to be looking at the metric of "days without security incident" when flinging cash into your dumpster fire.
chrisjj•49m ago
Here's the thing. People who don't see a problem with the former obviously have no interest in addressing the latter.