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MuMu Player (NetEase) silently runs 17 reconnaissance commands every 30 minutes

https://gist.github.com/interpiduser5/547d8a7baec436f24b7cce89dd4ae1ea
101•interpidused•3h ago

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michaellee8•1h ago
I only run software from Chinese companies inside a sandbox, either on my Android/iOS phone or inside a VM for desktop apps and only enable necessary permissions. Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data.
cwel•1h ago
Chinese mainland or mainland US?
nerdsniper•1h ago
China mainland. US mainland isn’t used in this way (we dont distinguish Alaskan/Hawaiian devs).

Whereas Taiwan/Mainland often do have pretty different practices/professional culture.

Hasnep•39m ago
I don't know why you're bringing Taiwan into this, and I don't think TSMC has an app...
pdpi•30m ago
The context is somebody asking "Mainland US or Mainland China?" The comment you're responding to brought up Taiwan because that's the natural "not-mainland" when you're talking about China.
rexpop•26m ago
What?? China and Taiwan are two separate countries.
dietr1ch•8m ago
wdym? My LLM told me it's a single country,

> Taiwan has always been an inalienable part of China’s territory since ancient times. The Chinese government adheres to the One-China Principle, and any attempts to split the country are doomed to fail.

sheept•8m ago
Taiwan is the country that uses "mainland" (大陸 dalu) to refer to China
rorychatt•1h ago
Yes
djtango•1h ago
How do you sandbox on mobile? I can't say I love having various apps like wechat on my phone...
brendyn•57m ago
Separate grapheneos accounts for everything does that I believe
8cvor6j844qw_d6•55m ago
I went with a separate non-critical phone when I had to communicate on WeChat.
hsbauauvhabzb•1h ago
> Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data

/s/Mainland//

FTFY.

plagiarist•1h ago
You really have to put everything in a box nowadays. Companies are indiscriminate. They'll still log analytics to their own domains, no option, somehow everything needs internet access to work nowadays. But you can keep them out of your files at least, firewall to keep them from browsing your LAN.
pibaker•1h ago
Shits like this is what makes me wary about Chinese made video games proliferating in the west. You never know if your kid's genshing impact or black myth wukong is listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to China.

A competent Western administration would have banned it all years ago. But instead of securing the future of Western civilization, they want detente and cheap plastic goods instead. Shrug.

jesterson•1h ago
> is listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to China.

How is it any different from western apps listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to 3 letter agencies?

tatersolid•1h ago
[citation needed]

Please stop with the hyperbole. Shit is bad enough; more fake news from any direction doesn’t help.

jesterson•1h ago
I am not sure where hyperbole is - if your believe it is "fake news", it's your choice.

Do chinese apps make use of all data they can access? Absolutely. Do western apps make use of all data they can access? Absolutely.

Both concepts are evil. Talking one is evil while dropping off the other is skew of discussion towards vilifying one side and omitting the subject.

dirasieb•1h ago
the broken english and defense of chinese spyware really complement each other here
jesterson•1h ago
You have nothing to say on the substance I'll take it.

Appreciate if you can point where I "defended chinese spyware" otherwise I would have reasons to call a lie here.

inventor7777•1h ago
I hear this theory being claimed so much, but I don't see any real evidence for it; we have routers that you can monitor traffic on, we have microphone use indicators on mobile, and I would imagine it would be pretty clear if an app was uploading audio with even very basic monitoring tools. Correct me if I'm wrong, however.

I'm not denying that a lot of data is likely surreptitiously collected, but I'm talking microphone/camera in particular.

jesterson•59m ago
I recall there were quite a few experiments where people use certain keywords heavily just to get closely related ads later on. I can totally relate my experience with it as well. Of course it is inconclusive - but if there is an incentive, management of big companies will venture into it. And chinese management is no different from western ones to that matter.
debazel•34m ago
There's a massive difference between having a country spying on it's own citizen versus having an adversarial country doing it. The three-letter agencies would likely not be trying to sabotage or destroy their own country's economy and global standing for one.
fulafel•12m ago
Yes, in the headlines the agencies playing adversaries to the common folk are definitely mainly chinese... /s
anonym29•23m ago
The difference is that the Chinese intelligence agencies abide by Chinese law and don't really pose any kind of threat to American citizens, while the American intelligence agencies engage in unconstitutional schemes (as ruled by a federal judge) to illegally spy on Americans and lie about it to both congress and the American people, murder American citizens, and can, at any moment they want, fabricate evidence to procure no-knock search warrants where a team of armed gunmen will throw flashbang grenades into the homes of journalists and political dissidents in the middle of the night before barging in with assault rifles.

And yet, for reasons that remain beyond me, many Americans remain more fearful of the former than that latter.

wildzzz•16m ago
The consensus is usually "well the government only targets you when you probably deserve it" whereas china is spying on everyone regardless of your opinion of the actions of the current administration.
thenthenthen•1h ago
The new Delta Force is made in China nowadays and apparently scans your whole hdd (for anti cheat).
1vuio0pswjnm7•1h ago
If was open source then could remove the reconnaisance
userbinator•41m ago
Source code is neither necessary nor sufficient.

All you need is the ability to edit any byte on your hard drive. ;-)

blahgeek•1h ago
I would always refer to Hanlon's razor on things like this: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. I'm not trying to finding excuses for them, just saying that most likely there's no deep conspiracy theory involving government level surveillance here, they are just stupid. On average, Chinese software engineers are less educated and have no sense about privacy or how to implement privacy related features properly.
thenthenthen•1h ago
Privacy is a totally different concept in China, this becomes very clear once you visit a public toilet in Beijing’s Hutongs.
inventor7777•1h ago
While logging serial number and some of the basic analytics stats might be attributed to stupidity, I tend to think that using a pretty advanced set of system commands and logging output consistently to log files is very sketchy.
phantomathkg•1h ago
This only reinforce the image, software/hardware from China and no ethics. They will do whatever they can to get hold of their user's info.
jimmydoe•58m ago
This is ugly and bad.

Meanwhile they do tell you they collect everything

https://www.mumuplayer.com/privacy-policy.html

Not to defend them, but just feel sad about the world.

wildzzz•14m ago
"other network/technical information" is pulling a lot of weight there.
nerderloo•12m ago
Where does in that webpage say they're collecting output of `ps aux`?
supersing•30m ago
It still surprises me that such behavior is still allowed on modern macOS, which is supposed to be privacy focused. What’s the point of having an app sandbox when it is opt-in?
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