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I Don't Want My Search Engine to Think for Me

https://searchzee.com/blog/search-without-ai-summaries
38•rajkverma123•1h ago

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jmspring•58m ago
Google AI responses are generally crap and annoying. I've gone back to DDG or if I need some context - very specific guidance for claude/chatgpt. Goodle's AI is generally inadequate or wrong without significant clarification.
rajkverma123•49m ago
Exactly — AI for thinking, search for finding. They're different jobs.
analognoise•40m ago
Big old human brain for thinking.
tripdout•48m ago
LLM-written article.
Arainach•34m ago
What do you believe your comment adds to the discussion about this article?
D-Machine•25m ago
I'd prefer more proof / context than GP gave, but I personally find it very useful to see people making judgements about AI-assistance of articles. Almost no such articles are worth my time, and the more HN people saying it, the more I know not to click past the HN headline.
LoganDark•28m ago
The LLM-isms are a bit boring, but not necessarily a tell that the article as a whole is worthless. I read the full thing and pretty much agree.
ducttape12•12m ago
That was my first thought. Ironic they don't want to read LLM responses in their searches but they expect us to read their LLM article about it.
thrdbndndn•47m ago
I don't want either, if I'm indeed "searching." But I find that often times I am indeed just looking for a quick answer, and Gemini/Google's "new" search does it fine.

It's one of the few AI features, despite still being shoved in my face, that I actually find useful.

With that said, the worst thing is how search results have degraded significantly since the AI years, even before they added the actual "AI mode."

Google now (and quite a few search features on other services, e.g., Twitter) often returns results that have ZERO relationship to the search keywords I gave -- like an entirely different person when searching for a person's name, which I think should never happen and did not happen when search was still based on a "rigid" algorithm of indexed content. So, I can only assume it's because they have some AI thingy along the process.

rajkverma123•31m ago
Yeah the keywords thing drives me crazy. You type exactly what you want and it decides you meant something else
amrit3128•21m ago
Yeah, the turning point was back when you get switched from text matching to using machine learning
skillina•19m ago
If you want Gemini to answer your question, why not go directly to Gemini?
userbinator•44m ago
I always ignore AI summaries, after having seen just how wrong they can be.

Here's a relevant example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44142113

ruleryak•26m ago
If you're like me, basically everything other than search results in a search engine is noise. To that end, I direct my Google searches directly to the "web" tab of the results. This chops off news, shopping, video, images, etc from the initial results you see but you can still change to those tabs just as easily as ever. In your browser's settings just find the option to manage search engines, add a new one, and set the url to use to https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 and you land on results. No AI misinterpretation of what you're looking for. No confident nonsense that directly contradicts reality sitting at the top of the page. No judgement or chiding (Google's results AI has flat out told me my opinion sucks mid-search more times than I'd like to admit). Just results.
rbbydotdev•24m ago
Maybe it’s misplaced nostalgia but google search before google plus ruined the +, and the image search was top tier (not shopping ads) - truly incredible the signal to noise you could find.

Now all the junk comes to the top and the sites you get all have ads and modal popups or sales funnel flows

kopirgan•24m ago
I hate those AI summaries. Because I dont necessarily agree with suitability and credibility ranks assigned by AI to make those summaries. As author says, there are so many nuances and I usually scan the results page and click that appears more credible first. Not what appears first. I also know which site fills copy with verbiage and which ones give more useful advise - such as in health matters.

Great points..

ai_fry_ur_brain•20m ago
Well tech companies have long been hijacking our brains thinking muscles. Remember how people used to be able to navigate on their own without a Maps app, now those same people can't get around their own town without their phone.

I'm genuinely scared for a generation of people who've offshored their thinking, planning and creativity muscles to a few tech companies.

We think we're gaining an edge but we're really participating in a mind control experiment thats optimized to benefit those companies, not us as individual.

Miss me with AI, it will break your brain and start to control more and more of your behavior if you let it. Don't become a drone. You're not going to become some crazy productive SaaS founder becauae you have AI, you'll become a drone who's competency is 1:1 correlated to the quality and quantity of tokens you have access too/

DangitBobby•16m ago
Couldn't disagree with the article more. Not wading knee deep through SEO chaff is probably my favorite thing about LLMs. In the rare circumstance that I feel the need to wade through chaff that option is of course still available to me.
blindriver•14m ago
"Search" is a ridiculous thing to be doing post-2022. Imagine going to a doctor and asking them a question, and they give you 5 printouts for your to read through to synthesize your own answer. Imagine you asked your spouse a question and they responded "Here's 10 links for you to check out!"

We have AI now and it's doing a mostly incredible job getting us ANSWERS, not SEARCH LINKS. Trying to pretend that links are better is just trying to copy with rapid change.

Quite honestly I'm shocked that Google keeps making more money with search ads because I don't search anymore, I get answers directly from it or ChatGPT without clicking on any links.

efilife•11m ago
LLM-written article about hating LLMs
onesociety2022•11m ago
I love AI summary and AI mode in Google search. I think it should be up to you (the human) to use your judgement to decide when to do further research by following the links and when to just rely on the AI summary. If I'm searching a TV show by name, I'm generally just looking for an overview, the IMDb rating and a review of that show. If AI summary gets that wrong, it's not the end of the world. I don't bother doing further research. There are a lot of such casual searches I do daily for which AI summary is good enough.

OTOH if I'm looking up an answer to a tax question, I don't just immediately trust the first answer from AI mode. I use it more as a knowledgeable friend who is not a tax attorney and so cannot be 100% trusted, but he/she is giving me useful pointers to go do deeper research and arrive at an answer.

seanmcdirmid•8m ago
Same. AI still makes a lot of mistakes. Like today I was looking for new smoke detectors, and it clarified and then forgot Washington state code multiple times, and then ignored alternatives that were better fit for my problem until I asked pointed questions, and kept recommending solutions that I absolutely didn’t want to consider (or couldn’t because of WA code). If it wasn’t a conversation, it would have gone from a great to a disastrous experience.
calvinmorrison•3m ago
well the "AI" is smart because the search is "DUMB" if I google "how long do I fry an egg" I don't need an article with 600 words about the ladys grandmums special egg recipe, but thats how SEO got us here.
desro•9m ago
Kagi handles this perfectly, IMO. Defaults to normal search, but invokes an LLM if a `?` is appended to the query.
m463•6m ago
I like "search assist" in ddg.

companies deliberately obscure some information and it helps.

  how much does "<product>" cost  

  what is the phone number for "<company>"
Isn't a search engine for finding information?
tekno45•3m ago
why do people trust the AI overview over the Im feeling lucky button?
phillipcarter•3m ago
I disagree strongly with the premise:

> When you search for something, you're usually not looking for a sentence. You're looking for evidence.

There is a long and storied history of Google offering more than just a list of links to go search for, since at least 2012, because a massive amount of people literally are looking for the single answer to a question, whether stated explicitly or implicit in the search term.

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