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FAA lets Boeing sign off on 737 MAX, 787 airworthiness certificates again

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/17/faa-boeing-737-max-787.html
74•hmm37•1h ago

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greatgib•1h ago
Totally insane. Repeating the same errors as in the past and hoping for a better outcome... Only corruption can explain that...
bob001•1h ago
Let's see if the EU shows some backbone or not.
shevy-java•1h ago
The EU is like a tiger - without teeth, fur or claws. I think the only thing that works here is total boycott of airplanes that constantly unalive people through mass crashes. (Wikipedia really gathers useful data here in a simple-to-read manner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...)
freeone3000•1h ago
You can and should say the word “kill”.
worik•1h ago
Interesting analogy, maybe a house cat?

I think a better analogy is "The EU is like a lumbering elephant. You can steer it, but only if you know how. Otherwise it just keeps on lumbering"

Airbus was a bureaucrats wet dream, and by modern Biz Bro standards should never have got off the ground.

Now it rules the skies. Boeing, having drunk the financial Kool Aid is wilting

Tortoise and the hare?

moomin•59m ago
It turns out that sometimes you really do want health and safety obsessed bureaucrats.
bobthebob•56m ago
Can you explain exactly why this is bad?
estearum•30m ago
"Plane crashes are bad, actually" - quickly becoming a lib-coded statement apparently
kube-system•46m ago
I have read that self-issuance of airworthiness certificates has been normal since the 1950s. Given that, I don't think the issue is due to regulatory corruption but an issue at Boeing which has (hopefully) been resolved.
estearum•30m ago
"The issue" at Boeing is obscene levels of financialization which, of course, has not been "solved."
UltraSane•1h ago
The EU should refuse to allow such planes to enter their airspace.
cebert•1h ago
This is absolutely frightening.
bobthebob•55m ago
Why?
rogerrogerr•50m ago
Read the article, Boeing has been signing off its own work since September. Were you frightened then?
estearum•31m ago
Wow you got 'em.

Oncologist: You have Stage 4 cancer

You: Wow, that's frightening

Oncologist: You've had it at least since September, were you frightened then?

Brilliant argument. No longer concerned!

cromka•31m ago
What if they didn't know that and simply assumed self-certification simply would never happen again?

Or are you implying that "since no plane crashed since September, they're safe going forward"?

"Read the article". Clearly reading is not enough.

tverbeure•29m ago
If any, what was the thought process that resulted in this weird comment?
bushido•1h ago
The 737 has had 14 major recertifications. The aircraft today looks/behaves nothing like the original from the 1960s.

The main motivation for recertifications comes from commercial pressure where if a aircraft is given a new number and not recertified, then the pilots have to be retrained.

Honestly, back when the 737 MAX debacle happened, a lot of consumers claimed that they would stop flying aircrafts if they ran into 737 MAXs. And I don't think it happened in enough numbers - or even enough to make news. Sales went through the roof, everything kept working.

Recertifications are very common. The issue really is is the aircraft is AS different and untested as the old MAXs, and I really can't see that happening again in the next decade or two atleast.

pudgywalsh•42m ago
Consumers are indeed very concerned... that they be able to purchase £49 tickets on RyanAir.
Joel_Mckay•36m ago
People also fall asleep in front of cruise control in cars. lol =3

Rule #3: popularity is not an indication of utility.

ghaff•26m ago
And then they complain about seat sizes and baggage dimensions.
kube-system•37m ago
The #1 rule of marketing is that people's actions rarely line up with what they say they're going to do.
shevy-java•1h ago
Until the next mass crash ...
markasoftware•1h ago
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kube-system•39m ago
This is not exactly the same thing, this isn't Boeing being allowed to sign off on their design -- this is only the airworthiness certificate which means "this particular airplane we just built follows the spec which was already otherwise approved".
brikym•1h ago
All I read is that the US govt signs on off US export. I'd be surprised if there was not pressure on FAA to lower the bar.
munk-a•55m ago
Just to comprehend this a bit better - it sounds like the FAA had stripped Boeing of the ability to self-recertify and actually sent inspectors for the most recent certifications. After several successful certifications and what would appear, to the inspectors, to be real process improvements, they're now re-granting Boeing the ability to self-recertify when self-recertification is allowed?

This is well outside my knowledge domain so I'm not trying to make any statements on whether this was correct, but rather to better comprehend the change.

rogerrogerr•52m ago
This is accurate, except “recertify” is the wrong verb. This is about signing off on individual airplanes.
blitzar•53m ago
Who gave whom a golden airplane ... totally worth it, for them at least.
greenleafone7•33m ago
Yeah, not thanks. A company being kept alive by the US government is not one I'll ever trust with my life.
ronnieron•32m ago
I only fly airbus. If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.
tzs•14m ago
> The U.S. government on Friday said Boeing can once again issue airworthiness certificates for its bestselling 737 Max aircraft and 787 Dreamliners, an authority that was stripped from the manufacturer after fatal crashes in 2018 and 2019 of the 737 Max.

I'm a bit confused by this. From what I've read an "airworthiness certificate" is not a certificate that the aircraft design is good and safe. That would be a type certificate.

The airworthiness certificate is issued for a particular aircraft and certifies that it conforms to the approved design for that type of aircraft, all outstanding airworthiness directives applicable to the type have been applied, no unsafe alterations or repairs have been made, all required documentation and logs are present, the inspector doesn't see any damage, leaks, or other problems that could make it unsafe, and other things like that.

The two 737 MAX crashes had nothing to do with anything that would have been found during their airworthiness inspections. They were functioning exactly as they were designed to, as covered by their type certificate.

So what was the point of suspending Boeing's authority to do those inspections?

taneq•5m ago
“You can no longer certify aircraft of this design as safe” seems a reasonable response to a design flaw causing multiple crashes. My question would be whether the design flaws have been addressed. If not, then allowing them to keep making and certifying them does turn the whole exercise into a piece of theatre. Unfortunately, it’s a totally believable decision for some bureaucracies.
carabiner
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29m ago
Toyota had the largest recall in history for the unintended acceleration debacle. Yes, lots of people were saying they'd never set foot in a toyota again. Now people don't even remember it.
scottlamb•23m ago
> Honestly, back when the 737 MAX debacle happened, a lot of consumers claimed that they would stop flying aircrafts if they ran into 737 MAXs. And I don't think it happened in enough numbers - or even enough to make news. Sales went through the roof, everything kept working.

Is this kind of consumer revolt even really possible?

If you feel strongly enough that you refuse to fly altogether, then of course you can avoid flying on a 737 MAX. But I think most people did not feel the risk was that high. They just want to select "guarantee no 737 MAX" when booking a flight, and as far as I can tell that option doesn't exist.

Even if the flight is not a 737 MAX when you book, they can and sometimes do change aircraft, and as far as I know there's no option to get your money back when they do. If you show up and see it's a 737 MAX...you either get on or you lose your money, and have to find some other way to get where you're going, right?

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