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AWS: Inaccurate Estimated Billing Data – $1.7 billion

371•nprateem•6h ago•261 comments

Mozilla: The state of open source AI

https://stateofopensource.ai/
98•rellem•1h ago•40 comments

First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4kdd1e0ejo
61•neversaydie•1h ago•47 comments

Claude Code: Anatomy of a Misfeature

https://www.olafalders.com/2026/07/17/claude-code-anatomy-of-a-misfeature/
43•oalders•1h ago•22 comments

Show HN: Watch bots interact with an SSH honeypot in real time

https://honeypotlive.cc/
47•tusksm•1h ago•11 comments

A Road to Lisp: Which Lisp

https://scotto.me/blog/2026-07-17-which-lisp/
44•silcoon•1h ago•12 comments

Three ways people respond to a problem (other than solving it)

https://improvesomething.today/responses-to-problems/
39•surprisetalk•1h ago•12 comments

AI Meets Cryptography 2: What AI Found in OpenVM's ZkVM

https://blog.zksecurity.xyz/posts/openvm-bugs/
27•duha•1h ago•0 comments

Multi-Primary Color Display Emerges as Next-Gen Color Reproduction Technology

https://en.ubiresearchnet.com/multi-primary-color-display-technology-2026/
43•ksec•2h ago•37 comments

EEG shows brain can simultaneous encode two speech streams

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3003876
198•giuliomagnifico•9h ago•127 comments

Manufact (YC S25) Is Hiring a Senior infra engineer to build the MCP cloud

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/manufact/jobs/Dh6PYP5-senior-infrastructure-engineer
1•luigipederzani•2h ago

PennyLane is an open-source quantum software platform for quantum

https://github.com/PennyLaneAI/pennylane
21•donutloop•2h ago•2 comments

VulnHunter: Capital One's agentic AI code security tool

https://www.capitalone.com/tech/open-source/announcing-vulnhunter/
26•medina•3h ago•15 comments

More Bounce to the Ounce

https://mceglowski.substack.com/p/more-bounce-to-the-ounce
17•pavel_lishin•2h ago•2 comments

Show HN: On-chain bond market where the issuers are AI agents

https://selbonds.now
6•griffinfoster7•1h ago•3 comments

Pebble Mega Update – July 2026

https://repebble.com/blog/pebble-mega-update-july-2026
209•crazysaem•11h ago•115 comments

Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters

https://www.ft.com/content/1b8c9d52-88a9-426b-ba47-f1811f859166
194•merksittich•3h ago•146 comments

How Has Roman Concrete Lasted for Millennia? 1,900-Year-Old Latrine Offers Clues

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-has-roman-concrete-lasted-for-millennia-a-1900-year...
215•divbzero•11h ago•162 comments

Minikotlin

https://minikotlin.run
94•frizlab•2h ago•25 comments

Tannakian Reconstruction

https://bartoszmilewski.com/2026/07/14/tannakian-reconstruction/
15•ibobev•3d ago•0 comments

Faster binary search: from compiled code to mechanical sympathy

https://pythonspeed.com/articles/branchless-binary-search/
21•enz•5d ago•7 comments

Microsoft Comic Chat is now open source

https://opensource.microsoft.com/blog/2026/07/16/microsoft-comic-chat-is-now-open-source/
755•jervant•23h ago•161 comments

Camera Chase Vehicle

https://transistor-man.com/gimbal_camera_rover.html
104•geerlingguy•1w ago•12 comments

Evidence of inconsistencies in evaluation process and selection of winners

https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/kaggle-measuring-agi/discussion/724918#3498423
392•twerkmeister•4h ago•235 comments

Decoy Font

https://www.mixfont.com/experiments/decoy-font
642•ray__•23h ago•146 comments

Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k3
1872•vincent_s•1d ago•1112 comments

An Engineer's Guide to USB Typе-С (2024)

https://www.ti.com/lit/eb/slyy228/slyy228.pdf?ts=1759892558029
246•gregsadetsky•6d ago•40 comments

$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

https://www.tryai.dev/blog/ai-music-video-arena-claude-vs-gpt-5.6
341•hershyb_•19h ago•463 comments

LM Studio Bionic: the AI agent for open models

https://lmstudio.ai/blog/introducing-lm-studio-bionic
304•minimaxir•19h ago•108 comments

Turn your singing voice into printable notes (in the browser)

https://om-intelligence.ch/projects/vocal-notation/vocal-notation.html
77•busssard•3d ago•23 comments
Open in hackernews

AWS: Inaccurate Estimated Billing Data – $1.7 billion

367•nprateem•6h ago
URL already posted: https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status

I've got an estimated bill for $1.7 BILLION over this month. Normal usage is < $5.

Obvs have created an urgent AWS support ticket. Anyone else seeing something like this?

Update: Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/1uyuaw7/help_my_bill_s...

Comments

andystanton•6h ago
A couple of relevant links: - AWS Status Page: https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status - Reddit Thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/1uyuaw7/help_my_bill_s...
csunbird•6h ago
Just got a budget alert that I owe $286,486,223.88 on a hobby aws account, almost got a heart attack.
balintpeter•6h ago
Yea, same here. $420M+ bill, when we have <10$ per month usually.
ninjin-carh•5h ago
I got 109 billion - am I the winner?
nprateem•5h ago
Depends. Did you also get a free heart attack?
kubelsmieci•3h ago
This is real risk. Someone could really have a serious health problem.
princetman•5h ago
Sorry mate, $241,946,798,744.75 for Glacier here.
mlitwiniuk•5h ago
I was actually in the toilet when I got an email I owe them $36,869,876,146.51. I literally just shit myself.
andystanton•5h ago
Mine was about the same and evoked a similar response.
Hamuko•5h ago
I got one for 8 billion while I was eating lunch. Thankfully I managed to not vomit.
mlitwiniuk•1h ago
Ok, back to $0.17 :D
meraku•5h ago
Same here. Usually $0.15 per month, current bill is $15.4 billion.
Hamuko•5h ago
I went from 0.03€ to $8B.
sshine•4h ago
Not only did your cost spike, it changed currency and went from postfix to prefix!

I understand people complaining about large bills, but this is over the top!

pqvst•5h ago
Probably the closest I've ever been to getting a heart attack. Normally <$1 per month, and now suddenly $284,006,266,443.74. Whatever the bug is on their end, this is unforgivable.
zengineer•5h ago
Same - just had some malicious bots running through my platform last week and really thought they found a security hole after all. Even though the amount sounded ridicoulus, I got quite nervous and a very bad feeling when I logged-in AWS and saw that price.
krawat3•3h ago
Same here. I got an email with a bill of $233 million and an estimated $433 million until the end of the month. I panicked and nuked my entire setup (which wasn't used that much, anyway, the alert threshold was $1) - I really wonder how many people did the same.

It's been 2 hours and I still haven't fully calmed down.

gomid•3h ago
Same. Cold sweat for about 20 minutes. Even though I saw the service health notification, I still spent the last hour trying to find where my storage spiked. In any case, I'll be tearing down plenty of stale infra after this!
saghm•54m ago
The should pass a law saying they should have to pay you the amount over the correct bill as compensation; I bet they'll stop making mistakes like this pretty quickly after that
everforward
princetman•5h ago
Mine is showing $241,946,798,744.75. I know it will be reverted, but for a brief minute there I suspected someone compromised my account and triggered rust rewrite of everything using thousands of agents via Bedrock :)

Phew.

AegirLeet•5h ago
Maybe this is a new strategy to scare people into finally locking down their old, unused AWS accounts. It sure worked for me!
tlovage•5h ago
I got estimated costs of $56.something billions. Usually ~$100/month. My heart rate currently still sits at around 160 bpm. Motherfuckers.
rvz•5h ago
I expect such incidents like this to continue. So please keep vibe coding.
lukaslueg•5h ago
Apparently what used to be `GB of storage consumed` is confused with `Bytes of storage consumed`, leading to a cool off by 2*30 error.

> You're right to question my calculation. The MCP server failed to connect when I tried to look up the field definition. I guessed instead of validating. This is on me. But look at all the revenue!

stefan_•1h ago
Vibecoded the billing system, raised revenue 9000%. Great for that promo package.
leugim•1h ago
Oh great so 2*30=60 he only owes 28.3$ million... hehe

I guess you wanted to say 2^30 which makes 1.5$

hansvm•51m ago
My hunch is the HN formatter swallowed the double asterisk typical of python exponents.

While we're being pedantic, 2^30 is 28 in normal programming languages ;)

raverbashing•1h ago
AI slop. Or just a distracted dev
root-parent•51m ago
>> Or just a distracted dev

And a distracted tester? And a distracted pipeline of regression tests?

No, the truth is way worst...

akerl_•5h ago
https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status

Looks like this is a bug w/ S3

realizer•5h ago
$627,487,837,871.49

I might be a winner.

iamrik9•5h ago
I feel much better after seeing the $B estimates here; I only have an estimate of $34M so far

Folks can track it directly on AWS Health: https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status

paulddraper•1h ago
Peanuts
bfjvibybd6cuvu6•1h ago
It's ok, I owe them 1.22 trillion.
consp•33m ago
Maybe you went over 9,223,372,036,854,775,807 twice and came back to positive.
rucury•5h ago
Uhh class action incoming? $34,909,930,575.09 over here.
Hamuko•5h ago
I hope they send out some free credits at least. I imagine quite a few people got a real fucking scare today. They haven't even sent out any corrections yet.
fian•3h ago
This is probably going to push me to completely close a couple of AWS accounts I setup when doing training courses so I could get certified (mandatory requirement from my work).

I'm not currently running anything and have no plans to at the moment. I've always had a mild dread that I'll suddenly get a bill for more than $0.00.

If AWS can goof in a way that causes obviously massive bills (like today), what's to say they can't goof in more subtle ways and start charging small additional amounts that many people may not notice and just pay it.

akerl_•4h ago
What would your damages be? They’re not actually going to charge your credit card for 34 billion.
rucury•4h ago
I mean, emotional damages are a thing right?
akerl_•4h ago
Not really in the way the media would have you believe.

Like “I was scared for a couple minutes on a Friday morning until I saw the vendor status page” is orders of magnitude away from the bar here.

zcemycl•5h ago
Aws has created more unicorns than any accelerators.
TekMol•5h ago
It was over $500k in the email I got. Not a fun experience. My hands were trembling.

Makes you wonder - what if there really would be an incident where some massive amount of traffic got routed to your infrastructure by some heavyweight player? Say Wikipedia accidentally switches their IP to your CloudFront? Would you really be on the hook for $500k?

Hamuko•5h ago
Well, even if AWS tried to charge my credit card on file for $500k, it would definitely not go through. Then they’d probably either forgive your bill or just ban you, since I imagine the threshold for taking people to court is fairly high.
philipallstar•5h ago
Maybe they're using too many humans and not enough AI in their software development. That must be it.
the_real_cher•3h ago
The code base is not gigantic enough they need AI to generate massively more lines of code.
rwmj•1h ago
But they're going to try anyway.
marcosdumay•43m ago
My guess is the GP swallowed a comma.
paulddraper•1h ago
Well AWS never had bugs before.
egeozcan•1h ago
They need the customers to pay more so they can fix the bugs. It's self-correcting.
cmollis•5h ago
yeah.. i just to a daily cost alert.. it was only 23 trillion dollars this month. i thought, hmm seems kind of high this month.
pcarmichael•5h ago
https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status

"Operational issue - AWS Billing Console (Global) Service - AWS Billing Console Severity Impacted - Inaccurate Estimated Billing Data"

Polizeiposaune•4m ago
Update as of 7:53am PDT:

"The rollback of a recent change did not resolve the issue and we are continuing to investigate multiple mitigation paths. Estimated bill updates remain paused."

Sheepzez•5h ago
Yes, I've got an estimated bill of $4bn. Probably related to the ongoing "Inaccurate Estimated Billing Data" incident?

https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status

cifvts•5h ago
Yes, an incident is ongoing https://health.aws.amazon.com/health/status
cyanydeez•5h ago
AWS has become the uber employer: before AWS, you just had regular employers steeling employee wages bit by bit by forcing work, skipping breaks, etc.

All hail the new generations of our uberployers.

marksk•5h ago
logged in this morning to find a bill of $595 Billion... heart rate went through the roof... then I noticed the open issue, phew! nice one guys... you got me there...

But with AWS costs rising anyway (not by that much but OK), I'm probably not the only one to start reconsidering their cloud strategy. I think this might have just pushed me over the edge.

sshine•4h ago
Even though it's just a bug, being charged $595B on a platform that is known to cost spike, reminds us that we're not in control of the platform, or our company's expenses.
im-broke•5h ago
Help, what is this number - US$87,967,679,887,258.36
sshine•4h ago
That's 87 trillion, 967 billion, 679 million, and so on.
GuestFAUniverse•4h ago
Don't worry. With so much debt banks start to treat you with respect. /S

Honestly, I would worry more about estimated billing that seems plausible in general, but is way to high for you personally. These ridiculous amounts? Not so much.

Hamuko•4h ago
I got freaked out by the mere fact that I got a billing alert, since getting one would require my monthly spend to have suddenly exploded.
josefdlange•4h ago
Well, no coffee needed this morning.

$103,515,940,301.79

sscaryterry•4h ago
Vibe coding billing systems is a top-notch idea :)
ainiriand•53m ago
Hey what do you think about vibe coding weapon systems? Do you want to be my cofounder?
sscaryterry•37m ago
Sure! What could possibly go wrong?
ruddct•4h ago
If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $1.7 billion, that's the bank's problem.
sajithdilshan•1h ago
Not if you’re Elon Musk
michelb•1h ago
Elon Musk is everyone's problem
danlitt•50m ago
This joke only works if you actually impose a cost on AWS of 1.7 billion. If they just serve you a bill for no reason, it's still your problem.
fatnoah•50m ago
I saw this in action on a smaller scale. In a past job, my wife organized events for a decent sized company. After an event, she'd typically have a $300k+ balance on her corporate Amex. When she went on maternity leave, the person filling in for her job neglected to actually pay the bills, so when she returned there were quite a few emails and voicemails from Amex regarding the over $500k balance.

The messages started as polite and eventually started to get more desperate in tone. At no point were they threatening or adversarial.

Imustaskforhelp•24m ago
I think that this might reflect more on Amex to be honest.

Amex realises that threatening would hurt their business trust more than anything. During the great depression, Amex accepted checks from other banks which were falling and paying through their own wallet as a matter of integrity. Amex has always been built around this idea of trust and prestige.

They make most of money from what I have heard on the transaction fees which are more than others (3% compared to 1%). They might get desperate but I am sure that they are one of the last guys who would wanna threaten you if you are paying some large bills for them (as compared to normal credit card companies which might even hire people to extract your loans in some messy situations)

So perhaps be so rich that the credit card company understands it as well and treats ya differently :-D

dv_dt•4h ago
Cynically I wonder if this has an outcome as an unintentional (or intentional) anchoring exercise for future cost increases
ardacinar•1h ago
I hope they're not planning for that large of a cost increase.
mrtksn•4h ago
Wow, those price increases due to the RAM and storage shortages AI caused are brutal.
jumperabg•4h ago
Most likely they also forgot to include "make no mistakes" instructions to their in-house LLM that deploys to production.
HugoTea•45m ago
Rookie mistake
hokkos•4h ago
Same, i am now a slave to Jeff Bezos to the end of my life.
wewewedxfgdf•4h ago
Cloud pricing has gotten ridiculous.

Host your own people. Host your own.

warumdarum•4h ago
The old hypsters have to subsidize the new hypsters.
ares623•4h ago
this counts towards ARR right? would be stupid not to
foo-bar-baz529•4h ago
Hope they’re using 64 bits to store these prices
sva_•4h ago
float will have to do it.
r0ckarong•4h ago
Pff rookie numbers, mine was 375 billion.
wewewedxfgdf•4h ago
I once got a credit card statement that said estimated time to repay ....... more than 100,000 years. It was discouraging but I did pay it off. And sooner than estimated.
TedDoesntTalk•1h ago
Were you still alive after paying it off?
ambicapter•1h ago
No, but they have the internet in the afterlife, apparently.
_joel•1h ago
They do, but the latency is terrible
Bluestein•1h ago
> 100,000 years

100K years. Now that's load-bearing ...

27183•38m ago
That's good for the credit card company, they can project stable revenue 100k years into the future.
roosgit•4h ago
Amazon, the first quadrillion-dollar company.
steveBK123•4h ago
Golden era of software productivity they say
yuchen20•4h ago
I got 3 consecutive emails warning that my budget crossed its $18 threshold. Opened it up: cost was 78 million. Thought it was a phishing attempt, logged into my actual account, and... still 78 million. EMOTIONAL DAMAGE.
SegfaultSeagull•1h ago
Time to get a second job buddy.
rcleveng•1h ago
I did too, those awstrack.me URL's look super suspicious and I hadn't seen this alert trigger before so didn't know what to expect.

At first I was sure it was a phishing attempt. Then went to the console (not using those links) Saw there was an outage where the console was wrong (no mention of email alerts) Then I thought I was hacked - what a perfect cover up for someone to evade detection when the console was wrong. Looked at some logs, realized the incident text was just not exhaustive on the impact. Went back to my cup of coffee.

Note to self- should have looked here first.

root-parent•1h ago
Wanna bet the description of this job post will be updated by the end of the day?

"Software Development Engineer II, AWS Invoicing"

https://www.amazon.jobs/de/jobs/10428480/software-developmen...

"...Our platforms are powered by generative AI, large language models, knowledge graphs, and agentic architectures that dynamically compose specialized agents based on context. We apply these capabilities across three reinforcing areas: intelligent launch readiness — where autonomous AI agents analyze, generate, and validate the information needed to go live in a new market; cloud-native service orchestration — where configuration-driven microservices replace per-launch bespoke engineering with centralized, reusable capabilities so that expanding into a new country becomes a zero-code configuration change rather than a development cycle; and continuous validation..."

kinkuraj•4h ago
Yes I received an 2.8m USD budget alert.
dirkk0•4h ago
same here, I am still in shock. took me 10 minutes to find the 'operational issue' message in the dashboard. longest 10 minutes of my life.
charles_f•4h ago
Can you not set spending limits in AWS?
reformd•3h ago
he did, 140 billion :D
inigyou•3h ago
No you can't. Spending limits imply realtime billing backend flows and they also imply deleting all your data so that you don't pay for storage.
handoflixue•2h ago
Realtime billing seems entirely within the abilities of AWS.

"Limits except for Storage" seems even easier - I don't think I've ever heard of a storage-based billing story, although I'm sure one or two exist

minitoar•1h ago
What is a storage-based billing story?
kgwgk•54m ago
Once upon a time in a cloud kingdom far, far away a big, beautiful bill was issued based on storage causing much disconcertion. Etc.
lsdafjasd•4h ago
I have $13,034.40, while not having used AWS for the last 8 months. Not as much but still crapped my pants
throwaway_5753•4h ago
Should have used Fable.
cyanydeez•4h ago
someones been dognfooding the AI too muxh
sankalpmukim•4h ago
AWS pushed the wishful thinking internal calculator to production.
glenstein•4h ago
Probably the safest bet is to pay your bill in full to stay in good standing and then get refunded the difference when they revise it down.
NordStreamYacht•4h ago
With interest, of course.
bknight1983•4h ago
I'm disappointed I only got a bill for $28M, need to work harder on burning money. Seriously though I thought my life flashed before me
danousna•4h ago
Yeah, small timers, I only got $4,4T. How will I finance this?
rodeduivel•3h ago
MMT!
marcosdumay•39m ago
Unfortunately, it's only Amazon that can issue bills backed by that debt, not the GP.
MichaelNolan•3h ago
$28m actually seems worse. If I wake to a $100b bill, that’s obviously a mistake. If I wake up to a bill in the millions then my first thought would be “oh no what did I do wrong, this will ruin my life”
kylecazar•4h ago
You didn't have savings opportunities enabled
port3000•4h ago
Rookie error
port3000•4h ago
They have to pay for that AI Capex buildout somehow
djantje•4h ago
I also like the percentual change, that is a lot of comma's.
pelagicAustral•4h ago
Imagine it not being a bug...
Sebb767•3h ago
As the famous saying goes: If you owe the bank a million dollars, you have a problem. If you owe the bank a billion dollars, the bank has a problem.
RGamma•3h ago
Surprise hyperinflation. Check the breadshelves!
speedgoose•3h ago
Time to become a shepherd in some remote mountains.
tgv•4h ago
Mine was a mere $49B. Fucking idiots.
atmosx•3h ago
Cheap!
thisisauserid•4h ago
FinSlops.
fathermarz•4h ago
Just got mine. $534,366,582,647.75
jagged-chisel•1h ago
Shocking! That seventy five cents is suspicious.
paulbjensen•4h ago
AWS revenue for 2025 was $128.7 billion, so I'd say probably a bug.
archerx•3h ago
Double your yearly revenue with this simple trick…
yonatan8070•3h ago
Vendor-locked customers _hate_ him!
pfshort•3h ago
117 billion us dollars. Eat that GDP of Kuwait! But yes I have never scrambled so hard to try to get on the phone with someone at AWS in my life. Terrifying 10 minutes until I found that banner on the support page. It should be front and center on the dash, not hidden away. And in yellow.
rboyd•3h ago
Ask for some leniency. Let your account rep know about your budget difficulties and ask if you can make good faith payments of a few billion per month until you get back on your feet.
blitzar•3h ago
In unrelated news I just hit my target for S3 revenue (projections). Promotion meeting locked in for tomorrow (fastest in the companies history), looking forward to being a L2 Amazon employee.
nottorp•3h ago
Looks like they set up a LLM to estimate billing?
lovich•3h ago
You really should get your spending under control. Unfortunately unless you become one of the real people class through a large lottery, it sounds like you owe the rest of your life to AWS until you can pay off your debts for being so careless.
reactordev•3h ago
“Due to a rounding error” or a buffer overflow, you now owe INT_MAX to BaldGuyCloudService.

Yeah, this most certainly is bad code wrapping around a value. AWS will post a notice soon if they haven’t already.

mapt•3h ago
AMZN Q2 numbers are in, and it turns out they're going to Goldman Sachs the AI bubble.
bdangubic•3h ago
eh your typical off-by-7 (zeros) programmer mistake
rickette•3h ago
Some guy named Claude screwed up.
hoppp•3h ago
How much is that in kidneys?
atmosx•3h ago
A lot.
anzovec•3h ago
In my 30s, I almost had a heart attack too. I got a notification saying that my cost budget had been increased to one million dollars...
atmosx•3h ago
Looks like you are the biggest shareholder. Well, going by the popular saying: “You own AWS now”.
aweiland•3h ago
Glad I saw this. Mine said I racked up $400B yesterday. My usual spend is $15.
compounding_it•3h ago
Are you sure it’s a bug ?

The crypto network you hosted should pay for itself in 10-20 years just like LLMs. Don’t worry. Consider Bank of America until then if you are good on credit score.

kvcm•3h ago
I had Hermes managing mine, and it made a partial prepayment to help smooth out the bump in my account balance. Unfortunately Billing Support say my $17.4B refund may take up to 10 calendar days to be processed.
gomid•3h ago
Curious if it's just s3 costs or other services as well?
jatin_oo71•1h ago
for me it was s3 cost only
nprateem•3h ago
I guess on the plus side I'm $1.7B better off so I can retire...
jameskilton•3h ago
My personal photo backup S3 account, with a budget limit of $10, now going to cost me ....

$1,299,988,247,332.56!

That was a fun set of emails to wake up to, figured they had to be phishing for how outrageous of a number it was. But nope! Fun little incident they've got going over there.

roskoalexey•3h ago
Total forecasted cost for current month $477,000,039,440.24

Insane

abkolan•3h ago
The panic was real. We read about keys getting stolen all the time. Was about to nuke my set up too.
roskoalexey•3h ago
They sent 3 warnings to my email, ok, I understand bugs happen (probably vibe-coded). But they didn't even send any notification that it's a bug. Going to leave AWS after that.
anzovec•2h ago
same
znpy•3h ago
Is AWS in their "move fast and break things" era ?
jagged-chisel•1h ago
Lumber along and smash stuff
abkolan•3h ago
Will wait for the RCA, the update says that they will resort to last known estimate as of 15 July. I’m guessing that would imply that the bug is at a lower level, write or an ingestion path.
Executor•2h ago
This generation is too entitled! He should some learn responsibility by paying the full amount; otherwise Amazon should delete his services/data. Consequences!
dgrin91•2h ago
Mine was 10 trillion today. At first I thought it was a lot, but then I realized its still smaller than the US national debt, so it cant be that bad.
xyz7786•2h ago
$250 billion. Nearly died right then and there
dang•1h ago
One user posted a screenshot: https://prnt.sc/UqjcYD3RSQrS
sebmellen•18m ago
Wow, $139 B.
jatin_oo71•1h ago
storage, compute cost is increasing AWS be like lets increase prices
1234letshaveatw•1h ago
brb, off to buy some AMZN
rootsu•1h ago
Our org account's bill is showing up as > 100 trillion.
sebmellen•16m ago
You've got to grab a screenshot of that.
bryanrasmussen•1h ago
hmm, if these estimates of Amazon profit for the next quarter are correct Bezos is set to become a trillionaire! Take that Musk!!
jatin_oo71•1h ago
aws becoming first quadrillion dollars company
mjmasn•1h ago
It's a good job it was off by such a large amount, or I might have panicked instead of writing it off as a phishing attempt. I had an email saying my $7.50 budget had been exceeded with an actual cost of $3bn.
axus•1h ago
This is just Anthropic reaching out to their customers for help with their AWS bill.
ryanschaefer•1h ago
The market *hates* this one weird trick to juice earnings
tcp_handshaker•1h ago
If its less than 2 billion is likely to be real :-) I would relax only if its in the trillions ...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48945681

xbar•1h ago
Rife.
tedggh•1h ago
I got a 20K bill once and it was actually drafted from my bank account. It took me a couple of months and involving the office of the AG of my state to get the issue resolved and get my money back. Since then I never touched any AWS product, moved my small stuff to Azure. It’s been years since AWS have these issues with billing, you can find the stories online, students billed 60K for a compromised account launching servers to mine crypto which AWS somehow was unable to flag and block, and let run for months.
dawnerd•56m ago
That’s why you always use a spend limited card with variable cost providers.
drew870mitchell•46m ago
AWS is basically a utility. I think it's inevitable that their carelessness around billing will end up with them being regulated like one.
srdjanr•25m ago
I wouldn't expect their detection of hacked accounts to be 100% correct. Sure, it might be obvious when a human takes a look, but humans can't proactively look at every account's usage.
ElevenLathe•1h ago
Our alert was for exceeding $300...by several hundred billion dollars.
Avicebron•1h ago
Nothing like generational debt to kick off a Friday morning
luciana1u•1h ago
somewhere a junior dev at AWS just learned their billing dashboard has been off by a factor of a billion and is currently having the worst shower of their career
rcleveng•1h ago
My first thought was "Oh hell, who left the NAT Gateway on?"
cryo32•1h ago
How do we know if our bills were ever right if this made it into production?
ahoka•1h ago
That's the neat part, you don't!
Hamuko•38m ago
Well, they publish unit prices for everything, so you could just get to counting. Whenever I've had to do cost estimates, you estimate how much AWS resources you need and then times that by the unit price.
jimbokun•1h ago
This is a strong argument to either self host or work really hard to be cloud agnostic.
ratelimitsteve•1h ago
a billion here, a billion there, sooner or later it adds up
bobbiechen•1h ago
AWS saw Anthropic billing a guy for $16 million on zero usage and thought, why stop at the millions?

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/320266/20260712/anthropic...

qrios•1h ago
As someone who usually works with data analysis, the distribution of the numbers strikes me as odd. Almost all of them have one number that appears four times, and one or two that appear three times. And overall, there are an unusually small number (0–9) of digits that appear at all.

Maybe it's not just vibe-coded, maybe the numbers themselves are being hallucinated by an LLM.

everforward•51m ago
Someone said the numbers are all off by 2^30 because they screwed up and are charging the per GB price for each byte.

It’s probably an artifact of them all being currency multiples of 2^30

ardacinar•22m ago
Well, for my case, I was paying $0 (Exactly, I managed to hunt down and delete every last resource in my account a few months ago). It was displaying $430 million for me. I don't think that is 0*2^30.
berkes•45m ago
> Almost all of them have one number that appears four times, and one or two that appear three times

To me that looked suspiciously like string-handling in a weakly typed language.

Like when you do `"100" + 1` in JavaScript, or `int("100" * 2)` in Python.

I've seen my share of such bugs in PHP, Python, Ruby, JavaScript. In production. Obviously not as simple as the examples, but subtle, like when a library update changed `someFancyLocalStorage.getOrDefault("lastOrder", 100)` by always casting the value to the type of the default (released as patch release). Or where typedEnvGet() should typecast "numbers", but keeps it a string when theres whitespace `AMOUNT_PER_CALL=100\n`. Or where a number passes through a deep stack of middleware and 99.9% of the times remains an int but in rare race conditions becomes a string. etc.

No evidence that's the case here. But from my experience, the repeating and strange formats of numbers hint strongly in that direction.

hypfer•1h ago
To be exactly that guy:

This cannot happen if you do not do this renting at variable rates.

A thing you own doesn't suddenly bill you trillions of dollars in error. It doesn't hyperscale either, but neither do you.

scrapcode•1h ago
Tale as old as time. When I was coming up it took a $20-40/m investment to get a "dedicated" server that you could start tinkering around on. When you couldn't afford that, you bricked the family PC trying to figure out how to configure your own LAMP stack.

Nowadays you just have to risk accidentally billing your parents CC the tune of multi-generation wealth to get that real-world experience.

danny_codes•45m ago
Hetzner has hard usage cutoffs
durron•53m ago
$44 trillion over here, at least our bill was so outrageously high that I just laughed
mrcwinn•49m ago
So long as customers are good for it, AWS is about to crush earnings!
anibal-sanchez•44m ago
The new data centers are more expensive:

ACTUAL Amount: $1,046,294,123,330.95

1-6•43m ago
Fast and loose with billing data. Welcome to the new Amazon.
shobhitgupta•39m ago
Have even seen a $9.2 trillion for a friend.
traceroute66•39m ago
Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48945681
nixgeek•38m ago
Wow. As a side effect, this outage is handing Corey Quinn material for the next 4 years of AWS shitposting. No longer is NAT Gateway the prime target.
aerhardt•37m ago
One can almost smell the vibes.

This is peanuts compared to a major cybersecurity catastrophe that’s surely in the making.

To give credit to the technology and the people using it - and I’m not being facetious - it’s actually incredible that at the current levels of usage the unprecedented catastrophic event has not yet happened.

RIMR•27m ago
Oh, that's the really fun part. The unprecedented catastrophic event is already happening. Several of them, in fact.

By the time we notice, it'll be too late.

Imustaskforhelp•23m ago
its like slowly boiling the frog
The_Blade•23m ago
Always messing up some mundane detail!
kolanos•7m ago
$1.7-billion isn't a mundane detail Michael!
wpasc•2m ago
you beat me before I refreshed the page. what would you say... you do here?
wpasc•
mariopt•36m ago
VibeBilling, love it
reaperducer•36m ago
Obvs have created an urgent AWS support ticket.

I think I would have just waited to see what happened when AWS tried to hit my credit card for $1,700,000,000.

When do you ever get that opportunity?

browningstreet•35m ago
I realized recently that Whole Foods no longer automatically and reliably detects your Chase Amazon Prime credit card when paying. So they don’t give you the discounted pricing automatically. I wonder how many customers are checking out the way they always do and are paying full price when, for years and decades, this worked fine.

The customer service people I talked to in the grocery store said this changed sometime in the last year. My guess is that it’s an unintended side effect of removing the pay-by-palm feature.

This is obviously unrelated but I joked about what else Amazon wasn’t reliably calculating….

hedora•32m ago
Class action lawsuit time!

Either that or 1000’s of small claims court cases.

Even with arbitration, the overhead of dealing with that would be crippling. Hopefully someone over there decides to do the right thing, and auto-refund.

xp84•15m ago
Relevant to this, I've recently noticed a trend of mass tort cases being opened up in the past couple years, and they seem to do very well. The way these seem to work is attorneys identify a company who has clearly ripped people off, and what I presume is a repeatable way to guarantee a win (thus translating to a guaranteed settlement offer). Then they advertise for eligible clients, sign those clients individually to contingency agreements, and run the playbook. A couple months ago after signing up for one of these, I received a check for about $350 (after the agreed-upon 40% attorney fee), from Ticketmaster, and I had another one related to AT&T. It took about 10 minutes more effort from me than a typical class-action settlement, because I had to e-sign those representation papers.

So really, there's a third option now, that's much easier than class action, even when class actions don't get certified.

ofjcihen•15m ago
bradhe•33m ago
Current month $13,648,114,178,401.01 188,253,226,212%

Forecasted month end $18,729,381,032,152.4

Apparently my company owes the combined GDP of France, Germany, and UK to AWs.

xp84•4m ago
"Have you considered using Reserved Instances? You could save up to 2 trillion dollars next month. Book a call with your AWS rep."
rf15•30m ago
Of course, this is only considered an error if the account is unable to pay. /s
rtkwe•30m ago
Aw man I was hoping to punk my manager but our cost estimates are unaffected.
aisloper•27m ago
I blame A.I. usage
hedora•27m ago
And to think the federal government claims inflation is in the single digits this year!
hedora•23m ago
Does the affiliate program still work for AWS? When do I get my referral fee?
huntoa•22m ago
invoicemaxxing
tamimio•15m ago
Results of vibe coding and vibe configurations.
nblgbg•13m ago
My guess is that it's because of some vibe-coding stuff! We are using LLMs to write code, validate code and test the code ! What can go wrong ?
ohnoooooooooo•9m ago
do you see cost ever day for the month of July or just the last day? I also have billions of dollars in cost explorer
wglass•9m ago
It's crazy enough this will be fixed soon.

Years ago I found an actual hidden error in my bill. (This was early 2010s). The system was calculating the EC2 reservation savings incorrectly for some of my servers. I was crunching all their detailed usage data on a regular basis in an 18 tab spreadsheet and couldn't get it to fully reconcile. I spent months trying to track down the discrepancy. Once I found it, I had to convince AWS their system was wrong, which took another big chunk of time. Meanwhile the discrepancy continued to accumulate.

After 14 months I got a $7,000 refund. I was told it had to be approved by the head of AWS. I've never seen a calculation error on their part since.

kayo_20211030•8m ago
What an `effin disaster. The alert almost gave me a heart attack.
mawadev•4m ago
Claude quickly fix our quarterly earnings - make no mistake
btown•3m ago
If AWS was a predatory mobile gacha game, we'd get 300 apology gems as credit to our accounts for this mixup, to help us in our rolls for the next 3-letter acronym they release.

Do the right thing for the players, Matt!

whatever1•1m ago
Is it even possible to audit the cloud pricing? They just give us a number and we pay.
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40m ago
Yeah, this one is bad because it’s off by so much I’m shocked it wasn’t caught by tests, alerts about unusual changes in the billing system, or even accounting. Like surely the P&L reports look all kinds of wrong right now, they have to be showing like 6M% profit margins and revenue measured in quadrillions.

I’m also a little surprised this didn’t trip a circuit breaker. For something as non-real-time as billing, I’m surprised they don’t have an automated kill switch that pauses the billing system and fires a page if variance in bills spikes. Naively some kind of “if the standard deviation of customer bills for this year changes by more than 50%, pause the billing system”. At that number of customers, those numbers should be pretty stable beyond internal billing changes they could normalize for.

silon42•33m ago
I'd love to see the spike in their projected earnings internal dashboard :)
27183•50m ago
Either way it shows their QA and testing procedures are incompetent. It's just not acceptable for a utility like AWS to move fast and break shit. Should make you question whether it's safe or advisable to use any of their services.

It probably shouldn't be legal for banks, hospitals, governments, or any other critical infrastructure to be hosted on AWS if they do things like this.

VulgarExigency•44m ago
The user is asking me to calculate how much money they should charge their customer. The values they've given me are 0.45, 1.67, and 2.50. This is 2.50 + 1.67 + 0.45 = 4.62, but it could be any other number. Perhaps we should be concatenating the numbers instead. Wait! The . could also mean multiplication. 0 . 45 . 1. 67 . 2 . 50 = 3015000. But wouldn't multiplying by 0 zero it out? That can't be right, we wouldn't be charging anything. So 3015000 must be correct.

You should charge your customer 3015000 thousand dollars.

ghurtado•15m ago
> You're right to question my calculation.

Literally impossible to tell whether this is parody or an actual response any longer.

I challenge anyone to write something so stupid that an LLM couldn't possibly respond with it. I don't believe such limit exists.

Neikius•1h ago
I wonder how many people died of heart attack when they saw this.
xp84•8m ago
Interesting. And hard to square with my perception of banks as completely mercenary and ruthless. I had a decade-long personal boycott (I know, LOL) of Amex after they, because, with otherwise perfect credit, I forgot about a $30 department-store card bill and got a 30-day-late mark on my report, Amex got spooked and abruptly closed both my never-late accounts with them (which were at or close to 0 balances). This was around 2008 though, so perhaps this was a genius algorithm designed to try and detect the very first whiff of consumer defaults, so they assumed that $30 was the first domino to fall of my personal financial ruin that could lead to me charging my accounts to the max and then going bankrupt.

(I eventually admitted to myself that Amex isn't a person and thus not really capable of insulting my honor, but it took a while!)

xp84•15m ago
Next question we'll find out is what if you owe the bank $1.7 trillion?
omoikane•2m ago
I wonder if it ever happened in the other direction ("amazon error in your favor, collect $200")
sebmellen•43m ago
That job description feels so far beyond parody that I could scarcely believe it until opening the link! What a world.
root-parent•40m ago
It gets worst:

"Senior Software Development Manager, AWS Global Bill Generation" https://www.amazon.jobs/de/jobs/10471948/senior-software-dev...

"We're transforming from monthly batch processing and manual war rooms to continuous billing, autonomous agents, and self-healing infrastructure. We believe operational burden is a technical problem, not a staffing problem"

This looks clearly...a staffing problem...

ghurtado•18m ago
> This looks clearly...a staffing problem..

I think that big tech recently decided that I got 99 problems but staffing ain't one

I guess Nothing is a staffing problem when you make a rule that firing people is always the solution.

wbl•11m ago
If you can make the software cover the toil you save the staff for the tough cases.
ibejoeb•35m ago
Wow:

    In this role you will:
    - Design and build agentic AI systems that analyze, generate, and validate...
    - Build agentic architectures that compose specialized AI agents dynamically...
    - Build AI-driven continuous validation frameworks powered by agentic workflows and large language models that autonomously manage...

This is invoicing? If ever there was a domain that was purely deterministic, you'd hope it was invoicing.
root-parent•34m ago
The irony is, the only purely deterministic thing, will be token consumption...
jdiff•25m ago
I severely doubt the world ever gets to such a point that the entire world melts into AI hallucination. And token consumption depends on so many other things, it's not all that deterministic either.
cliglot•3m ago
I just find it funny how people claim that LLMs will put money in the hands of domain experts. There’s not a single damn bullet about the fucking domain lol.
jayanmn•5m ago
Enterprise account . We got - 3trillion and change
Planktonne•1h ago
They could do it; they don't want to.
everforward•31m ago
Storage-based billing is huge, unless you mean something other than “places that make you pay for storage separately”.

Also many places I’ve worked, storage is a huge part of the spend but that depends a lot on what you do. e-commerce doesn’t use a ton of it, but if you handle user-generated content or do any kind of training (LLM, computer vision, etc) then you can very much end up in a place where storage becomes a top line number for infra spend.

GitHub pre-Copilot was probably like that. They host a shitload of data, most of which is just at rest the majority of the time. Storage and networking are probably the majority of their infra costs.

benterix•1h ago
I heard this false justification already in 2007, in spite of many customers asking for it.

Incidentaly, smaller competitors solved this issue decades ago, while the big cloud decided it is more convenient never to implement it.

prmoustache•27m ago
Storage could switch to read only.

That would mean an outage but that is still better than going bankrupt and teach you a thing or two about monitoring.

boristsr•3h ago
No, alerts but not limits.
perching_aix•15m ago
Not only can you not set limits, even the alarms are not real time. So it is entirely possible to get on the hook for terrifying amounts of money and not know until it's all too late.
masafej536•3h ago
If you owe AWS 140B dollars its their problem ;)
2m ago
THIS IS NOT A MUNDANE DETAIL MICHAEL
Nicook•23m ago
some things never change. Pre AI I was always shocked that such large and complex systems actually run as well as they do. Especially after getting to see how the sausage is made/works.
unethical_ban•10m ago
It was the mid 2010s when I sensed a lot of SaaS becoming popular. Just host your ticketing systems, your IT management planes, your security management consoles, your SOC, all off-premises.

I wonder if businesses are thinking of ever swinging back to locally hosted, with the increased hostility of the Internet re: AI, vulnerabilities, DoS, and so on.

There are a hundred small things like this that seem to be popping up in what used to be simple and reliable systems and as much as I know they aren’t ALL because of vibe coding I can’t help but wonder how much is.
browningstreet•4m ago
Weirder is what happened a day later. I got an email that said my Chase Amazon Prime credit card was being re-associated with my Amazon.com account.

I never reported this nor took it up with either Amazon or Chase directly. There was a refund of my Whole Foods purchase (they needed to void my purchase and re-ring everything to give me the discounts.. I asked them to refund my purchase and I’d do without my Whole Foods purchase entirely).

Looking back I think at least 3 recent visits were charged to me at full price because of all this. Hard not to think of enshittification and whether Amazon Prime is even worth it, alas.. I live in a fairly rural area at the moment and need delivery.