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Minikotlin

https://minikotlin.run
72•frizlab•1h ago

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mavamaarten•1h ago
That's cool. I often write tiny blurbs of kotlin just to test out a simple algorithm. I often do this on kotlin playground because doing so inside a scratch file or test is somehow more cumbersome and slow. This ran and compiled something in 98ms on my smartphone, cool stuff.
montroser•1h ago
This is very cool! Slightly off-topic though, I miss technical people writing in their own voice about the awesome things they've built.
applfanboysbgon•1h ago
Chances are they aren't a technical person and didn't build it, so wouldn't have anything interesting to say anyways. Web compilers are dime-a-dozen and LLMs can easily produce them with no active guidance. Very much in the training data[1]. This looks like just another person posting something they spent all of two minutes prompting.

[1] https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin-playground

themgt•53m ago
So, is there a reason that your link to the official playground is dramatically more underwhelming and lacking in features compared to the from-scratch-in-C Minikotlin compiler page? You claim that the submission is uninteresting work from a lone non-technical rando and then link to / implicitly endorse a "hello world" repo from the multi-billion dollar corporation that runs the whole thing?
applfanboysbgon•31m ago
The JetBrains team didn't feel like prompting for a Claude UI to go with their project they wrote by hand 8 years ago, I suppose. Are you really that impressed with stock LLM-generated UI?

Note the JetBrains playground includes features that are actually useful for a code playground, letting you configure compiler version and flags, which is likely more relevant than a faux-IDE UI for the use cases people use playgrounds for. It also supports importing packages, while this doesn't. This doesn't seem like a human even attempted to use it for anything, otherwise they would have realised how lacking it is. Unfortunately it seems like people who prompt slop can't be bothered to dogfood it... or maybe pigfood it?

"From scratch in C" means literally nothing here. LLMs can output C too. It may or may not be safe, efficient C, but writing C that compiles is trivial. Prompting "write it in C" poses no greater difficulty than any other language.

ande-mnoc•18m ago
The Kotlin/WASM work is in the main repo. This submission has no source code and barely any technical detail.
davidjfelix•1h ago
Visibly claude produced website. No link to code.

Is the expectation that people write kotlin in their browser? How do people work this into their development workflow? Is this just a neat demo?

f311a•54m ago
Yeah, I hate the LLM wording too
kreco•39m ago
I was expecting a a link to the source code after the "written in C".
sermah•1h ago
Cool idea. I like the UI and that it compiles locally. But I don't really get what this is for. I use Kotlin Playground sometimes, but it allows me to switch Kotlin versions and compile targets, which is useful to try out new features.
modulovalue•57m ago
I built something similar, but I managed to compile the Dart VM, its compiler and the static analyzer to wasm using emscripten:

- repo: https://github.com/modulovalue/dart-live

- demo: https://modulovalue.com/dart-live/

It's on my todo list to support compiling dart code through the wasm bundle to wasm directly. Right now it's running the dart arm simulator on the web because it supports hot reload.

I'm wondering if there are any cool use-cases that motivate having the compiler itself run in wasm. I did it mostly for fun and besides building tooling for compiler developers themselves or IDEs, I can't come up with much.

There was one guy that wanted a sandboxed environment for agents as he couldn't find anything else. A few other people used the dart live project to build playgrounds for their own packages.

Who's the target audience for minikotlin? I'm just curious.

In any case, cool project, thanks for sharing!

gavinray•43m ago
Seems to be missing the "why" over Kotlins native WASM support (which is very mature)

The official Kotlin playground uses WASM, for example (JVM drop down-> choose "WASM")

https://play.kotlinlang.org

esafak•19m ago
I think that compiles WASM in the server, whereas this compiles in the browser.

I'd challenge the 'by hand' assertion though.

Jtarii•11m ago
Really looking forward to when we advance past the "Design — by Claude" phase.
netdur•6m ago
Perhaps never, Claude will just be replaced by something else, and eventually we’ll have the Amish of AI
wavemode•5m ago
> One pass, all the way down to bytecode

> hands off to two of its own IRs before writing WASM-GC by hand

So it's not "one pass" lol. Do you know what a pass is?

Not that it matters - this AI is claiming "one pass" as though that's a good thing, but it's usually not. One-pass compilers can't typecheck forward references.

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