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The Future, Made in China

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/08/10/the-future-made-in-china
37•littlexsparkee•1h ago

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bell-cot•1h ago
Long-winded, as anyone familiar with the New Yorker would expect. But still very good.

Whatever its other weaknesses, China has the enormous advantage that the people really in power are focused on raising China to global dominance. Vs. those really in power in America are, at best, worried about their personal status and wealth at the end of the next fiscal quarter.

bojan•55m ago
The Chinese leadership realized one doesn't exclude the other.

Also, a leadership that is so enormously autocratic simply has to juggle fewer balls at the same time.

bell-cot•31m ago
> ...one doesn't exclude...

Yes, but I don't see that realization as noteworthy. Does history record a nation which never found its own advancement hobbled by the scheming of its petty local officials?

> ...has to juggle fewer balls...

When things aren't going so well, trying to stay in power adds more balls (to juggle) than being an autocracy takes away. And "things aren't going so well" usually indicates that less-competent autocrats are in power - meaning that they are less able to juggle any number of balls.

WhyComboNadir•42m ago
What you said about "next fiscal quarter" is exactly right, and goes along with us (in the US) only thinking politically in 4 year cycles... which means on average we are thinking only 2 years ahead.

China is the master of the long-game. It's shortest cycles are 5 year tactical plans. Their strategic plans go far beyond.

I don't know what the solution is in the US (and West in general) to be able to think 25+ years ahead, as no material incentive would do the job; only cultural/society/civilizational goals make someone think that far ahead (religion does too).

If the US can't think that far ahead for the same reasons as China, maybe we need to find things we care about long term and tie economic development to that (family, religion, and even our potential extreme longevity).

tw04•33m ago
> I don't know what the solution is in the US (and West in general) to be able to think 25+ years ahead, as no material incentive would do the job

Eliminate share buybacks. Raise the top tax bracket to 95% on earnings over $10m. Executive shares cannot be exercised until retirement if you really want to get aggressive.

The nuclear option would be stocks cannot be used as collateral for loans, it would shore up 90% of the nonsense overnight and have 0 negative impact on 99.99% of the general public.

Eueudhsbsj32•12m ago
Why would the elites ever agree to that?

It's already too easy for those in power to control popular opinion, and only getting easier, so you're not going to get mass protests or revolutions that upset the status quo.

bell-cot•17m ago
> ...only cultural/society/civilizational goals make someone think that far ahead ...

Not saying I was paying close attention to America from 1850 to 1950, but a variety of cultural and social factors - especially less hyper-individualism, and people's futures being far more closely tied to the success of their families, neighborhoods, towns, etc. - lead to very priorities.

altmanaltman•34m ago
China had an enermous corruption problem, what are you talking about? Xi has been on an anti-corruption campagin since 2012 and they are just getting rid of top leaders like just last month. And I am sure his "anti-corruption" campaign is totally not ignoring some aspects.

While Trump might be an outlier in how obvious the grift is, that doesn't make China suddenly the good guys who only care about their country or the people when they are not busy bulldozing them into drains like they did in 1995.

aerodexis•24m ago
The Chinese desire to raise China to global dominance is exactly a concern w/ status and wealth. It's naive to think that America and China are any different in the degree to which leadership is driven by these concerns. One simply hopes that the facts-on-the-ground (i.e. geography) structures this pursuit in such a way to provide peace and prosperity to normal people.

America, for a time, made appeals to things beyond power and status when it talked about "freedom". Nowadays this has been debased to just mean the freedom to attain power and status. Americans are deeply resentful about this, and their thinking will remain incoherent until they move past this.

China never made appeals beyond power and status. Communism essentially claiming that power and status are all that exist, and that peace is produced by removing the ability for specific people to asymetrically amass it, which is equally incoherent as the Americans just on a different time-scale.

Because of better middle-term planning, China is in the better position to amass status and wealth. But this is not all because they are somehow less concerned with status and wealth.

Both powers have near zero long-term planning, because anyone with an iota of wisdom knows that status and wealth are fleeting.

ricardobeat•1h ago
https://archive.ph/w8J5L
recursivedoubts•53m ago
Maybe we shouldn't have moved the entire supply chain to asia.

"we"

derelicta•36m ago
Luckily for the rest of the world, your elites have made that mistake.
recursivedoubts•34m ago
i don't think they view it as a mistake
ZeroGravitas•27m ago
The Capitalists Will [outsource the manufacturing of] the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them -- original quote attributed to various famous communists

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/02/22/rope/

recursivedoubts•24m ago
lol I almost included that quote, but the reality is that china isn't communist in any meaningful way
notarobot123•27m ago
perhaps themselves driven by global consumers culture that doesn't care how or where something was made as long as it's slightly cheaper.
PaulKeeble•32m ago
China's dominion as the worlds super power is going to be quite different to the US, EU and UK. They have a very different culture towards intellectual property, product versioning and quality control.
CamelCaseName•24m ago
I have found Chinese quality control to be quite good in my daily life here.

Or was that your point?

jalev•32m ago
The article is exactly what you think it's going to be: "China is moving ahead, but at what cost?" and the usual breathless Sinophobia that comes with it. At the very least when this happened in the early 80s with Japan's "oh shit they're going to outdo us technologically!!!" we got really cool fiction out of it for the next two decades.
dominotw•24m ago
yea history always repeats in patterns and nothing new ever happens.
aerodexis•17m ago
It is utterly fascinating the ends to which people will go to insist the opposite.
ToucanLoucan•22m ago
The mass media loves to talk about ANYTHING besides the ongoing decay of the west, largely facilitated by it's own ineptitude at the game it designed. We're losing because we outsourced everything for short term gains and have let supercorps run completely without oversight, buying each other left and right, until every "American" product left is owned by one of four conglomorates, and none of them know what they actually do anymore and the only way they can keep "growing" is by cutting costs to the bone.
kibwen•19m ago
Surely you realize that this article is, in fact, about the ongoing decay of the West.
throw-the-towel•
feverzsj•30m ago
Export-oriented economy is never sustainable, especially when it's built upon low human rights.
not-kinsale-joe•3m ago
Why do you say that?
Hasz•23m ago
> Common sense says countries rise and fall in cycles

Oh common sense. If you believe all countries are autocracies, maybe. But to examine the trajectory of the US on a "Chinese timescale", the US rejected autocratic rule, built a system that decentralizes power, uses ambition to check ambition, and provides for frequent, peaceful transfer of power. To an autocratic Chinese bureaucrat, this is all wasteful shortsightedness, but allows the US to pivot, change, adapt, etc at very fast pace, at least for government.

I do not believe the autocratic bargain that China has made with its people is stable, lasting form of government, even as they seek to export it elsewhere. The fundamental trade is individual voice in politics for breakneck growth and dramatically increased standard of living. However, if you are one of the few young people born in China recently, what breakneck growth? A vicious gauntlet of schooling, the great filter in the gaokao, only to work for 996 company until you cannot anymore.

We can see what happened in places like Venezuela or Argentina when the government breaks their end of the bargain, as will likely happen to other autocratic states.

kibwen•10m ago
The belief that autocracies will inevitably fall (or perhaps that "the arc of history bends towards justice") is hopelessly naive. Technology is a force multiplier with the power to entrench autocracy, forever.
daliusd•2m ago
Still you will not be able to give any existing example that lasted longer than 100 years. There are examples like Sayfawa dynasty which is counter-example to your claim about technology being multiplier
Qworg•16m ago
This was the role of those "unelected bureaucrats" in the US that some folks decry.

It is far shorter than a fiscal quarter - the next market open is all that matters.

verdverm•4m ago
with the president trying to sell early access to his market moving "truths"
dominotw
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30m ago
i dont know why this is such a sensitive topic that it gets immeditely flagged and considered some sort of hate speech.

china gets massive advantage from western ideas that even benigh thing like 'lets not depend on china' is automatically considered hate speech and racism.

pydry•24m ago
China cleverly identified America's Achilles heel: the greed and shortsightedness of its oligarchs.

Give them an extra 5% profit and theyll sell out the entire country and reduce its industrial base to ashes.

recursivedoubts•20m ago
It's been funny watching the slippery slope fallacy fallacy at play w/the supply chain:

- We'll only move cheap plastic toys to asia

- We'll only move low-value clothing to asia

- We'll only move inexpensive electronics to asia

- We'll only move TVs to asia

- We'll only move computer assembly to asia

- We'll only move low-value semi-conductors to asia

- We'll only move CPU production to asia

Only thing really left is IP and frankly I expect asia to outperform the west in that soon enough (my understanding is that they already are in some areas, I am not an expert)

2m ago
It's not. It's about what's going well in China, not what went wrong in the West.

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