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Quantum battery upends the rules of charging

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260824-this-quantum-battery-charges-faster-the-larger-it-gets
29•reconnecting•1h ago

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ramon156•43m ago
making the comparison to quantum computers seems odd. also i still have no idea how a quantum battery works after reading
IshKebab•41m ago
One of those articles written by someone trying to explain a complex subject in simple terms when they don't understand it at all in the first place. Don't waste your time.
weatherlite•32m ago
What's hard to understand? Quantum charging means it both charges and not charges your car at the same time. You then get and not get to work on time. Really good progress!
lukan•30m ago
Isn't that how average journalism works?

Anyway, the important part about the tech in its current state:

"However, at present, the prototype battery can only hold a very small amount of energy – a few billion electron volts – for a matter of nanoseconds. To power conventional devices, it would need to store far more energy for far longer."

wg0•38m ago
Not happening.
frotaur•35m ago
'Quach' is an unfortunate name when researching new technologies...
xbmcuser•31m ago
Now that standard LFP batteries can already charge in 5 to 10 minutes, and we will probably see 3 to 5 minutes in a few years with semi-solid and solid-state tech, anything faster feels like a marketing gimmick for most people. Sure, a battery might be able to take that much juice so quickly, but where are you actually going to get enough power to charge it that fast?
elAhmo•25m ago
Half an hour for a full charge would be fine for a break during the trip, but even those chargers are not always reliable or available. I think we are very far away from charging being measured in single digit minutes.

Even if the technology exist, it will take a while for infra to follow.

consp•20m ago
A week ago I traveled partly through Germany. On the highway stops we stopped (5 in total) only one had a working charging station and that one was only a single cable. There is a long way to go. It's probably better off the track though. (Don't need to charge but since I have a plug-in hybrid I do abuse the good parking spots if need be)
xbmcuser•19m ago
That is in the US but they are becoming very common in China and now that they bringing these chargers to Europe and rest of the world I think US might be the only one left out.
lnenad•14m ago
I think as with most human undertakings, building isn't too much of a problem. Maintaining is. Even with what is still a relatively tame number of chargers you get a large number of them that are broken.
megous•28m ago
Upends nothing yet, unless you live in 10e-9 sized world, at which point you likely don't care anyway. :)
Someone•24m ago
FTA:

- “at present, the prototype battery can only hold a very small amount of energy – a few billion electron volts – for a matter of nanoseconds”

- “The key point is that quantum batteries are not about storing a great amount of energy, but about delivering it faster and with greater control”

1 Watt-hour is about 2 × 10²² electron volts. That’s a factor of about 10¹³/2⁴³.

For the sake of an argument, let’s give this tech faster than Moore’s law growth, doubling in charge time and amount of charge every quarter. Then (if my math is right), we’ll have a 1Wh battery (about what an AAA battery stores) that holds its charge for about a day in 10 years.

So, what is this useful for? It can discharge way faster than it gets charged, but don’t we have capacitors for that?

Highly controlled discharging might give it niche applications, but otherwise, I wouldn’t hold my breath for this tech to power “or even your phone?”.

floppyd•10m ago
At this point I already have "ad blindness" but towards "traditional news publication declaring some technology revolutionary" — probability of thw mentioned tech being a nothing burger is just getting closer and closer to 100% with every publication.
RA2lover•7m ago
Can it be scaled small enough to replace capacitors in DRAM?
dguest•20m ago
arXiv preprint: https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.16541

note that whereas many preprints will be verbatim the same text, this one seems to be slightly different but it describes the same research.

teekert•20m ago
A bigger battery is just more modules right? So (theoretically) large batteries charge at the same speed as small ones? You just just need more power than we can deliver though a cable in the time we want to charge them all to 100% at their maximum charging speed. How does "Quantum" solve that?
deadbunny•15m ago
From TFA:

It's superabsorption that's responsible for the battery's most surprising property. In classical physics, molecules are little individualists – each acting on its own and absorbing energy at a rate independent of the molecules around it. But with quantum effects, they're a little more collectivist: they "act in unison and synergise", says Quach. "So that the rate at which you can absorb energy increases with the number of molecules there are."

jillesvangurp•13m ago
This sounds more like a capacitor than a battery. That might still be interesting but probably not for automotive applications any time soon.

> Everyone knows that the larger the battery, the longer it takes to charge

This is actually not entirely correct. Batteries are made out of cells. If you configure them in parallel, they can all charge at the same time. Increasing the number of cells doesn't increase the time to charge them. Also the charge time of individual cells has a lot to do with the chemistry of the battery.

The so called C-rate is what matters here, this is the rate at which a battery charges/discharges its capacity. C rate of 1 means its capacity (e.g. 50kwh) is charged in an hour. State of the art batteries can charge at C rates up to 8-10 now, which means they charge well below 10 minutes. What matters here is how much power you can dump in a battery without damaging it. Also, the speed at which batteries charge is usually not linear. 10-80% is usually a lot faster than the last few percent. Some Chinese batteries get to 80% in as little as 3 minutes now. The remaining 20% can take another 6 minutes.

alasano•13m ago
Put the battery in a box, when you open the box it's either charged or not charged.

Get 7 boxes and 7 batteries and you have a 99% chance of getting a charged battery every morning.

inigyou•10m ago
Only if you put it in a box with a battery charger that turns on if a radioactive particle decays.

In which case you may as well remove all that and just set the charger to "on".

1a527dd5•10m ago
I think all of us have read tangentially related battery articles over the last decade. All of them promise new and magically. None have upturned the market.

I remain sceptical.

formvoltron•10m ago
or.. just swap the battery
logicallee•9m ago
This is really interesting. I've been fascinated with new and unusual battery tech for a while. A few months ago I had one of the reasoning models crunch the numbers on using a superconductor as a battery.[1] (It's not viable.)

Electric airplanes: the power density (per weight) of current batteries is very low compared with fuel, if you look at electric airplanes they are only able to make short flights due to the battery weight. If a quantum battery of large size could end up with a high all-in power density for the entire system, then it could power electric airplanes.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47731696

nightfly•21m ago
> but where are you actually going to get enough power to charge it that fast?

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