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I wanna live an NPC life

https://signalundefied.bearblog.dev/i-wanna-live-an-npc-life/
81•conferza•1h ago

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ikesau•58m ago
To make the most facile counterpoint - the reason the Skyrim blacksmith doesn't care if the main character slays dragons is because they weren't programmed to. There aren't consequences either way.

To the extent that this post is meant to be inspiring, it only works if you're an NPC in a static world that has no real consequences - where you actually can live your life in a static loop because nothing will change.

When the metaphorical dragon comes to burn down your village, are you going to shrug and go back to looping your hammer_nail_03 animation?

bee_rider•42m ago
I think when people use NPC as an insult (it is a dumb insult in my opinion), they are looking at it from the point of view of a player, someone outside the game who understands that the NPC is scripted (this is a silly and egotistical way of looking at the world). This post is looking from it from the point of view of the NPC instead, as if that was a living entity one could be.
monknomo•26m ago
right, this comes close to rejecting the frame, which I think you could fairly do.

viewing npc as a category of person is inherently an ego driven, narcissistic way of looking at things. It is a viewpoint that lacks a theory of mind.

This essay implicitly supposes that the npc has a mind + motivations and that those motivations are more important to the npc than the player character. I'd extend it to say that if you are an npc you are a player character; you're just in a different game. Village Blacksmith Simulator, where you make horshoes, fend off pickpockets and sometimes a hero's dragon fight flattens your shop and you start over.

The flaw is assuming the player character is always the same.

lightedman•14m ago
"I think when people use NPC as an insult (it is a dumb insult in my opinion)"

It's a great insult, because it is usually used to describe someone whose viewpoint is basically a brainwashed and braindead pre-programmed one (either through upbringing or other things) and clearly demonstrating a lack of self-conscious critical thought.

bluGill•14m ago
Right, and there is very good reason you need to care about a lot of things. That Dragon will burn your village and kill you. You better be concerned about that - you will die.

Your life isn't scripted. If have the option to not ignore the dragon. You can work with your town to setup a watch and places to flee to when the dragon is coming (even if only 50% make it that is an improvement). You can as a town fund adventures to kill the dragon. You can move to a town where there are no dragons. There are probably other options that I haven't thought of.

You should not ignore politics. You need to understand the trade offs. You should plan for what is happening. Russia is at war with Ukraine - things like that can happen to you as well. You should understand enough to have an informed decision on how much to prepare... Maybe you need to build a bomb shelter, maybe not, but you should know in time to build one.

suopspaces•40m ago
New Quest Added: slay dragon
Exoristos•39m ago
In Hades, yes. Vanishingly few of us actually control our fates or societies even to a small extent. The modern tendency to think like we do is a form of mania. By indulging it, we damage the only control we really have, our relative health and peace of mind.
idle_zealot•13m ago
Pretending that you don't have a part to play in the fate of society is escapism at best, and learned helplessness at worst. Democracy is explicitly a system that functions off of the sum of individual participation, and if the quality of that participation is poor it will produce bad outcomes even barring subversion by other powers. Pessimism like yours cedes control entirely to those who would take it through undemocratic means, and the result will be a markedly worse world.
rrr_oh_man•57m ago
That sounds like burn out tbh
jdw64•55m ago
I want to live like an NPC too, but preferably one that can't be attacked. I'd absolutely hate being an NPC in the Dark Souls series.
oleganza•51m ago
You just demonstrated a _preference_: ability to choose between options and therefore ranking them. That's the single distinctive feature between NPCs and main characters: ability to have preferences.

The author of the article also demonstrated a preference: according to certain criteria of moral obligation they decided for themselves that it's better to "do something because you feel like doing it, not because you feel like you have to."

Again, to manifest such preference you have to be the main character and not an NPC.

Only non-NPC can decide to what degree that want to be like an NPC and what meaning they put into it. NPCs don't have ability to put meaning into things or display preference.

jdw64•43m ago
I used to believe in free will like you, then I took an arrow in the knee.
jspann•51m ago
I feel like this take is for a more passive form of stoicism. No you don't have to care about what is going on around you, but you do need to somewhat engage with your life to solve problems, pay bills and take care of loved ones.
tracerbulletx•50m ago
You can write a good story about anything. Slice of life stories are great. A peaceful zen character can be a main character. A hard working craftman could be a main character. A man or woman taking care of their sick partner or child and barely having time for anything else is a main character. The whole trend of using the term NPC is a very egotistical framing in the first place, but if you care you can be living any type of lifestyle and be a main character. Culture is very relative, people think they're the main character because they act like a dip shit on a live stream and people watch them. In a lot of cultures people like that would not be seen as enviable at all. Its all pretty arbitrary.
thomquaid•47m ago
nihilism
coldtea•44m ago
Don't worry, you likely already are.
rdksu•41m ago
spot on xD
leviathanmann•41m ago
1 Thessalonians 4:11
alwa•28m ago
Always a good idea to pick up the book and read for yourself in context, but for those who might pass on that opportunity:

“Make it your goal to life a quiet life, minding your own business and working with your hands, just as we instructed you before. Then people who are not believers will respect the way you live, and you will not need to depend on others.”

InexSquirrel•24m ago
Does typing count? What does it mean to not work with one's hands in this context?
marginalia_nu•6m ago
Birds of the air, lilies of the field, and so on.
ChickeNES•40m ago
Heh, I just shared this elsewhere but kinda relevant here too: https://jonnegroni.com/2015/04/15/the-humans-of-wall-e-were-...
stdbrouw•15m ago
That was a good read, thanks! I think one thing the blog post perhaps misses is that although humans are nice throughout the movie, we are supposed to view a lot of their best behavior near the end as part of their "awakening", the realization that there is more to life than just pleasure and that it'd be great to get to live on earth again. It's not as incoherent as it seems, though there is definitely still room to wonder whether the protagonists are actually the villains.
crawfordcomeaux•39m ago
Live an NPC life, die by the ecocide/genocides of NPC life.

One day, NPCs will wake up and give a fuck about other people and the environments that allow for the NPC life to begin with.

Until then, they're just here to keep feeding the oppression machines.

Swizec•38m ago
That’s the best part! We’re all NPCs in other people’s stories _and_ the main character in ours.

You can do and be absolutely anything or anyone you want. Just gotta bear the consequences and that’s it.

Wanna live a homely life surrounded by loved ones? Go do it! Nobody is stopping you. Wanna galivant around the world having adventures with no roots? You can!

And when you meet a local npc bartender on your adventures, you’re just another rando tourist npc. It’s great

shivpat•37m ago
Did an NPC write this?
roughly•32m ago
I think the fact that this post is marked as #long is the most salient detail in the entire thing.
john_strinlai•27m ago
compared to #short, they are long.

https://signalundefied.bearblog.dev/everything/

https://signalundefied.bearblog.dev/is-it-meaningless-to-apo...

roughly•25m ago
If anyone was wondering what editors do, it’s this.
sudorm-rf--no-p•31m ago
> I want to live in a skyrim house

https://youtube.com/watch?v=z_h8NNQ842I

tomasphan•27m ago
This post got the definition of NPC entirely backwards. NPC = follows the rules exactly like they’re programmed to. That means not thinking outside the box, ignoring gut feelings, adhering to a routine, consumerism and generally politically unimaginative.

The blacksmith from Skyrim is a great example because along comes a player, puts a bucket on your head and steals all your stuff without any complaints.

oilkillsbirds•26m ago
This is pure escapism. Numbing yourself to the burden of being. Likely from a stress tolerance so shallow and under-developed that the slightest inconvenience or expectation feels like a crisis.

The truth is that after the brief initial relief of excusing yourself from being anything at all, you'll end up in a deep depression. It's a naive and immature fantasy.

Remove all electronics from your life, they are a constant nervous system stimulator that has prevented you from truly relaxing into a state of repair. Then introduce responsibilities into your life, start small. We are wired to be needed, wanted, useful, accountable, social. You're just stressed out.

jamesjolliffe•22m ago
I don't know if I fully agree with this analysis, but I really appreciate the argument for emphasizing these values.
john_strinlai•22m ago
i dont think it's that deep.

it's the age old advice of "dont give a fuck" dressed up in some modern terminology ("npc")

oilkillsbirds•12m ago
"Don't give a fuck" - Ignore your feelings. Ignore your thoughts. Ignore others. Exist in some detached unalive state divorced from the human condition. Because it's easier. Oh and the monks did it. It's also easier to die, that's the end of that path of thought.
savolai•17m ago
Not sure at all you actually read the piece. Your responses about having a job or inconvenience or expectation seem entirely unrelated.

The text does not, for instance, encourage not having a job. It also does not encourage being nothing at all. Being nothing special is quite different.

Recommended movie: perfect days https://youtu.be/wqUT9hQd1XM?is=v1x85FdKOK_zfu60

xyst•24m ago
This is called getting a job. being a corporate drone in the USA.

In the US, if you are not part of the Epstein class. You are the help. Or in this author’s pose, "an NPC."

rrherr•24m ago
Unambitious Loser With Happy, Fulfilling Life Still Lives In Hometown - The Onion

https://theonion.com/unambitious-loser-with-happy-fulfilling...

weberer•21m ago
>be an npc. drive a boring car—who gives a fuck? have a boring job. do nothing after work. why do you have to do something after work? do something because you feel like doing it, not because you feel like you have to.

Obviously. People have reasons for buying cool cars or socializing after work. But if you don't have a reason to do something aside from a vague idea of "this is just what people do", then doing it anyway would be considered NPC behavior. You're just blindly following programming without even understanding the purpose of that behavior.

Instead of striving to shut your brain off, you should strive to actually use it. Think about what desires people have that cause them to take those actions. List them out. Do any of those desires apply to you? If not, then go ahead and stay home.

stonyrubbish•17m ago
The Bhagavad Gita 18.47: "It is better to do one’s own dharma, even though imperfectly, than to do another’s dharma, even though perfectly."
InexSquirrel•16m ago
I think NPC is the wrong terminology here - everyone should be the main character in their life - to have meaning and agency. But I think the problem arises in how 'main character' is defined and expressed - having the idea that you're supposed to 'do great things' and live this larger-than-life, life.

You don't have to save all the rhinos, defeat every poverty, slay every social cause or overthrow every tyranny. If anything it's arrogance to assume you can, or even should - that your specific brand of saving anything is even correct.

If you look at most people that do well for themselves and have good lives, they live narrow focused lives in domains they care about. They're very much the main characters of their own lives, but also recognize there are other characters running around doing their own things as well.

I think using the term NPC would be more apt if you're referring to someone that's purely on autopilot and not making any effort to ensure that they're leading a life that is meaningful to them.

ugurs•12m ago
Doing the things you care about instead of the things you are induced to care about, that is something I agree with. However, what is there to live for, if I am strictly unaffected by the world around me?
serf•10m ago
I thought hearing about The Cave on repeat for 30+ years was nauseating until video game metaphor took over for all of philosophy in common media.

you don't know what you got (til it's gone)

QuantumNoodle•10m ago
Reading Dungeon Crawler Carl series... I would not like to be an NPC from that series :D
Gecko4072•8m ago
> drive a boring car... have a boring job. do nothing after work...

This just sounds like mental exhaustion as mentioned. The internet exposes us to thousands of opinions on how to live that those terminally online get information overload and analysis paralysis. I don't think the answer is to give up trying or just settle into a boring life. Adding the 1001th random opinion: go offline more, interact with real people and you'll realize life is actually fine and enjoyable. It's easy to fall into anhedonia or apathy as a safety response. Having a boring, soul-crushing job on purpose is not good advice. Making your life enjoyable through effort is not a bad thing.

RGamma•8m ago
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nico•7m ago
> Likely from a stress tolerance so shallow and under-developed that the slightest inconvenience or expectation feels like a crisis

Maybe, but that could also be because of autism, trauma or some other disability

And maybe the author just wants to feel heard, get others to comment on their experiences, be vulnerable in public (which btw can be pretty stressful too), and connect with their community

plaidthunder•7m ago
> You're just stressed out.

Yeah.

I burned out. I was emotionally wrecked. I spent two years living what this piece described as the "npc life". Then... one day I sat down at my computer and started playing. Like when I was a kid. Not video games, but just... seeing what I could make it do. Like the old days.

I rediscovered the joy I'd lost and then let myself get back into working. It's been wonderful. The two years were necessary, but they weren't good in and of themselves. I was just a person who needed rest.

I hope the author of this piece is able to be an "npc" for a while. And I hope it gives them what they need.

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