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Novelist Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a great science paper [pdf]

https://gwern.net/doc/science/2019-savage.pdf
62•surprisetalk•2h ago•10 comments

Living microbial cement supercapacitors with reactivatable energy storage

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-physical-science/fulltext/S2666-3864(25)00409-6
47•PaulHoule•3h ago•25 comments

SCREAM CIPHER ("ǠĂȦẶAẦ ĂǍÄẴẶȦ")

https://sethmlarson.dev/scream-cipher
180•alexmolas•2d ago•75 comments

Scientists find that ice generates electricity when bent

https://phys.org/news/2025-09-scientists-ice-generates-electricity-bent.html
17•isaacfrond•3d ago•0 comments

Images over DNS

https://dgl.cx/2025/09/images-over-dns
91•dgl•5h ago•26 comments

Are Touchscreens in Cars Dangerous?

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/09/19/are-touchscreens-in-cars-dangerous
43•Brajeshwar•1h ago•23 comments

Britain jumps into bed with Palantir in £1.5B defense pact

https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/20/uk_palantir_defense_pact/
97•rntn•2h ago•44 comments

Claude Can (Sometimes) Prove It

https://www.galois.com/articles/claude-can-sometimes-prove-it
139•lairv•3d ago•33 comments

MapSCII – World Map in Terminal

https://github.com/rastapasta/mapscii
63•_august•1d ago•10 comments

Less is safer: How Obsidian reduces the risk of supply chain attacks

https://obsidian.md/blog/less-is-safer/
449•saeedesmaili•18h ago•212 comments

Is Zig's New Writer Unsafe?

https://www.openmymind.net/Is-Zigs-New-Io-Unsafe/
86•ibobev•2h ago•63 comments

Bezier Curve as Easing Function in C++

https://asawicki.info/news_1790_bezier_curve_as_easing_function_in_c
20•ibobev•3h ago•3 comments

Escapee pregnancy test frogs colonised Wales for 50 years

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-44886585
72•Luc•3d ago•24 comments

Show HN: Math2Tex – Convert handwritten math and complex notes to LaTeX text

15•leoyixing•3d ago•4 comments

If all the world were a monorepo

https://jtibs.substack.com/p/if-all-the-world-were-a-monorepo
223•sebg•4d ago•60 comments

Git: Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty

https://lore.kernel.org/git/20250904-b4-pks-rust-breaking-change-v1-0-3af1d25e0be9@pks.im/
193•WhyNotHugo•4h ago•144 comments

Show HN: FocusStream – Focused, distraction-free YouTube for learners

https://focusstream.media
65•pariharAshwin•9h ago•38 comments

The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

https://windowsread.me/p/best-youtube-downloaders
464•Leftium•1d ago•198 comments

Evals in 2025: benchmarks to build models people can use

https://github.com/huggingface/evaluation-guidebook/blob/main/yearly_dives/2025-evaluations-for-u...
12•jxmorris12•2d ago•2 comments

LLM-Deflate: Extracting LLMs into Datasets

https://www.scalarlm.com/blog/llm-deflate-extracting-llms-into-datasets/
46•gdiamos•9h ago•21 comments

PyPI Blog: Token Exfiltration Campaign via GitHub Actions Workflows

https://blog.pypi.org/posts/2025-09-16-github-actions-token-exfiltration/
49•miketheman•3d ago•16 comments

Ants that seem to defy biology – They lay eggs that hatch into another species

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/these-ant-queens-seem-to-defy-biology-they-lay-eggs-tha...
440•sampo•1d ago•145 comments

Show HN: Zedis – A Redis clone I'm writing in Zig

https://github.com/barddoo/zedis
140•barddoo•19h ago•87 comments

IG Nobel Prize Winners 2025

https://improbable.com/ig/winners/
105•JeremyTheo•5h ago•29 comments

What Makes System Calls Expensive: A Linux Internals Deep Dive

https://blog.codingconfessions.com/p/what-makes-system-calls-expensive
29•rbanffy•3h ago•3 comments

These days, systemd can be a cause of restrictions on daemons

https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdCanBeRestrictionCause
35•zdw•1h ago•41 comments

Show HN: WeUseElixir - Elixir project directory

https://weuseelixir.com/
193•taddgiles•20h ago•43 comments

Feedmaker: URL + CSS selectors = RSS feed

https://feedmaker.fly.dev
154•mustaphah•19h ago•27 comments

Hidden risk in Notion 3.0 AI agents: Web search tool abuse for data exfiltration

https://www.codeintegrity.ai/blog/notion
166•abirag•19h ago•43 comments

Internet Archive's big battle with music publishers ends in settlement

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/09/internet-archives-big-battle-with-music-publishers-en...
344•coloneltcb•4d ago•140 comments
Open in hackernews

The dawn of the post-literate society – and the end of civilisation

https://jmarriott.substack.com/p/the-dawn-of-the-post-literate-society-aa1
67•drankl•2h ago

Comments

cjs_ac•2h ago
This essay attributes rather too much to literacy. The end of feudalism, for example, started with the Black Death, and the journey to modern democracies involved centuries of concessions by kings to the emerging middle classes. Sure, mass literacy was key to enabling universal suffrage, but the end of absolute monarchy started long before that.

The present decline in literacy is probably the consequence in a temporary prestige given to other forms of media. We are very much heading into a great crisis, but the old social order where knowledge is valued by the elites will re-emerge once the crisis is resolved. The Second World War emerged from the chaos of the 1920s and 1930s, and the reason why so many people who lived through the war said they enjoyed it was the common purpose that swept away the prior disorder. This is why the 1950s were so socially conservative and repressive.

We live in interesting times, but the world will again be boring.

syntaxing•2h ago
I took a mandatory college requirement in environmental studies. The class argues that a lot of the big changes we remember in human history came from environmental changes. The medieval started the growth and end of feudalism, the little ice age started the enlightenment period and industrial revolution.
logicchains•2h ago
>The class argues that a lot of the big changes we remember in human history came from environmental changes.

Of course it's going to argue that, it's an environmental studies class. But those environmental changes were global, while changes like the enlightenment and the industrial revolution only happened in a small number of countries that had the political and economic systems to support them.

jkaplowitz•1h ago
Both statements could be right, no? The environmental changes could have been necessary (or greatly probability-increasing) for the human history changes but not by themselves sufficient to trigger those without the right societal context. Most changes like the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution have multiple causes or prerequisites.
dash2•16m ago
… And one of the others might have been literacy?
IgorPartola•1h ago
More than that, it seems pretty clear that big events in history are moved by a relative minority of usually privileged individuals who then harness the will of the masses. Major achievements were accomplished while most people in the world did not know how to read and had never traveled more than 20 miles from where they were born. That isn’t to say these achievements were aimed at the most good for the most people. Genghis Khan’s conquest of Asia and Eastern Europe was not to bring peace and prosperity to the conquered. But literacy played little role in that huge endeavor. In 1928, when Alexander Fleming first identified penicillin in his lab, the worldwide adult literacy rate was around 20%.

The only thing we seem to be forgetting is that the intellectual capability of a group of people is measured by the intellectual capability of the smartest person there, not the average of all the people.

inglor_cz•1h ago
"The only thing we seem to be forgetting is that the intellectual capability of a group of people is measured by the intellectual capability of the smartest person there, not the average of all the people."

Looking at various intellectual and artistic hotspots in history, be it Bell Labs or ancient Athens or Florence in the Renaissance or even Silicon Valley today, what seems to matter is the ability to find the smartest people, put them together and let them stimulate one another.

And plenty of such people come from the peripheries. How many Ramanujans lived and died at Fleming's time while not being discovered?

walleeee•1h ago
> the intellectual capability of a group of people is measured by the intellectual capability of the smartest person there, not the average of all the people.

Nonsense. The capacities of an organized group of people are very different from the capacities of any individual in it or the averaged capacities of its members. Even an absolute dictatorship where the dictator is resident genius.

Your claim is only correct if it's a dictator with an army of automatons. The claim you want to refute is just as wrong, unless the people follow a strict algorithmic decision procedure, which even the stodgiest bureaucracy only loosely approximates.

Agents and groups have fundamentally different dynamics. An anthill does things no ant can conceive of. Many human organizations filled with smart, well-intentioned people do incredibly stupid things. Etc.

IgorPartola•5m ago
I am not discounting the importance of the group being able to recognize the smartest person or people. But of the hundreds of thousands of Athenians we only recognize several dozens to maybe a couple hundred individuals as having moved the needle.

You can also think of it as “the maximum intellectual capability of the group is limited by the intellectual capability of its smartest members”.

bee_rider•1h ago
That seems like the ‘great man’ model of history (unless I’ve misread you). It is one of the models that was used to interpret history, but it isn’t “pretty clear” that it is true at all, there are plenty of competing models.
IgorPartola•2m ago
I don’t subscribe to one specific model but the thing is that you very rarely if ever see a group of average people achieving something great without a few outliers mixed in. In some situations the greatness of some was exactly enabled by others simply not getting in the way.

You might bring up something like Bell Labs as a counter example but my point would be that it was a large group of exceptional people and you got synergies out of putting them together but compared to the society in which they existed they were each individually outliers too.

hash872•1h ago
>the journey to modern democracies involved centuries of concessions by kings to the emerging middle classes

Eh, sort of disagree. The journey to modern democracy started with centuries of concessions by kings, first to other nobles (Magna Carta, etc.) Then, to other local power brokers like large landowners, business elites, etc. None of these parties wanted one single figure to have absolute power over their affairs & finances, mostly because they tended to make terrible decisions (random wars, taxation, and so on). Early proto-parliamentary systems in the UK, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Japan in the 19th century etc. were just a council of local, powerful elites who wanted to check the power of the king. The 'middle class' part came absolutely last

cjs_ac•1h ago
I live in the UK, so for me, 'middle class' means those large landowners and business elites who aren't part of the nobility.

The US is very generous with its use of the labels of privilege.

woopsn•2h ago
I recommend The Image by Daniel Boorstin. Smart phone is not the dawn at all but I guess more like high noon. The world is replaced by graphics (more generally , images) for a century at least. Books by "digests", heroism by celebrity and so forth. A little bit of media theory goes a long way to making the world "legible" again. Since we are absolutely steeped in media culture.
firefax•2h ago
Fahrenheit 451 didn't get as embedded into popular culture as 1984, but does a good job depicting a society brain rotted on reality TV and war propaganda.
begueradj•1h ago
"the world has been replaced by graphics (more generally, images)"

Humankind started to record its history by images (google for instance about the city of Sefar, Algeria). Nowadays, even in tech we use graphics (diagrams and so on)

This is not my field but even the first letter of the latin alphabet is simply the image of the head of a cow rotated a bit to the left.

efavdb•1h ago
If literacy is what prevents monarchy / dictatorship, what explains China and Russia?
ants_everywhere•1h ago
According to Wikipedia, Soviet Russia promoted literacy specifically to make propaganda more effective

> After the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, Anatoly Lunachersky, the Soviet People's Commissariat for Education made a conscious effort to introduce political propaganda into Soviet schools, particularly the labour schools that had been established in 1918 under the Statute on the Uniform Labour School.[20] These propaganda pamphlets, required texts, and posters artistically embodied the core values[21] of the Soviet push for literacy in both rural and urban settings, namely the concept espoused by Lenin that "Without literacy, there can be no politics, there can only be rumors, gossip and prejudice."[22] This concept, the Soviet valuing of literacy, was later echoed in works like Trotsky's 1924 Literature and Revolution, in which Trotsky describes literature and reading as driving forces in the forging of a New Soviet Man.[23]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez

Soviet Russia also obviously killed people in large numbers if they disagreed with the party line, starting immediately after the revolution. If you kill people who disagree with you while promoting specific state-approved propaganda then literacy is indeed not enough.

That's why free speech and in particular the freedom to criticize and disagree with the government is fundamental.

What matters is that (1) people are able to read, (2) people are free to read what they want, and (3) people have access to cheap nonfiction reading material that is likely to be true and accurate. You can attack at any of these points and reduce the ability of literacy to prevent dictatorship.

dfxm12•1h ago
A bit of clarification, this isn't according to Wikipedia, but to those sources cited in the references [20], [21], etc.

Wikipedia isn't a source in and of itself, but a good Wikipedia article will be well sourced.

ants_everywhere•50m ago
yes fair enough, thanks
Hnrobert42•1h ago
In high school debate, I found a killer piece of evidence to counter any given doomsday argument.

From Eric Zencey:

There is seduction in apocalyptic thinking. If one lives in the Last Days, one’s actions, one’s very life, take on historical meaning and no small measure of poignance.

nabla9•1h ago
That's not evidence.

You just used a type of Ad hominem fallacy called appeal to motive fallacy.

BolexNOLA•1h ago
Not to mention it’s an assumed motive at that.
z7•1h ago
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_ap...

beej71•1h ago
And yet many doomsdays have occurred.
mortsnort•1h ago
And yet thousands of people have liked (and presumably read) his long article and hundreds have replied. Substack provides levels of information sharing that a book can't provide.

With books, some small amount of people read difficult works while most people read beach lit. With phones, some small amount of people are learning at rates never possible before, while most people consume Tik Tok.

I agree that social media may be causing a collapse in society, but not that a lack of book reading is causing societal collapse.

dash2•1h ago
I only wish that Substack were a good substitute for books.

I’m off social media. I don’t even have Safari on my phone usually. I consume Bloomberg, the Wall Street Journal, and Substack essays.

It turns out I’m just as able to mindlessly consume this media for hours a day, and although it is not as superficial, emotive or corrosive as X, it is still no substitute for the deep book-length reading I used to do and now do increasingly less.

Literate intellectuals are stuck in the shallows too.

MontyCarloHall•1h ago
>With books, some small amount of people read difficult works while most people read beach lit. With phones, some small amount of people are learning at rates never possible before, while most people consume Tik Tok.

Same with gen-AI. A small amount of people have become autodidacts like never before, while others just use it to replace their own reasoning capabilities, which atrophy as a result. I know someone who self-taught graduate-level math courses using ChatGPT as a personal tutor, and I can confirm they actually learned the material well. I also know college students for whom gen-AI wrote every single word of every assignment.

Any social collapse will be caused by technology further accentuating this bifurcation. The exponential increase of information readily available to us, whether gold or slop, means that the motivated will get exponentially smarter and knowledgeable while the less-motivated get exponentially more distracted, which will lead to unprecedented levels of social inequality.

mallowfram•1h ago
We're symbol sleepwalkers, their arbitrariness is a meaning sink. Literacy is essentially mind-control by severely limiting the semantic resources words and narratives provide. Literacy makes us into minions. Post-literacy should have arrived with Chinese or Mayan glyphs (900BC/800AD) and conformed the West's sense of individualism with the concatenation capabilities of the East/MesoaAm, but the West's valuation of the arbitrary extractive processes and potentials of symbols and metaphors for economic and political control were much too addictive and sedative. Our only chance is to overthrow symbols and literacy to engage in direct perception of reality. This is a postcard from the edge by a medieval scribe.

..at some point a direct contact must occur between knowledge and reality. If we succeed in freeing ourselves from all these interpretations – if we above all succeed in removing the veil of words, which conceals the true essence of things, then at one stroke we shall find ourselves face to face with the original perceptions..

Ernst Cassirer The Philosophy of Symbolic Forms

..when the tools for creating the content of the virtual world become good enough, all of a sudden you have a new, shared objective world where people can co-create the interior with a facility similar to language. And this is what I call post-symbolic communication, because it means that instead of using symbols to refer to things, you are simply creating reality in a collaborative conversation, a waking-state, intentionally shared dream. You're going directly to the source, avoiding the middleman of the symbol and directly apprehending the craftsmanship of that other person combined with your own, without the need for labels.

Jaron [interview with Jaron Lanier] Wired 1.02 1993

add-sub-mul-div•41m ago
I worry that as the tools for creating virtual worlds improve they will continue to be used for creating opportunities for child exploitation (Roblox) or general profit from the sale of user privacy to the businesses and demagogues with the most money to spend (whatever Meta's doing).
mallowfram•30m ago
Not a proponent of virtual. The virtual is a mistaken path to reach the brain's topology, it's inherently 2-D. So the path is probably a hybrid between post-symbol and topological integration, ie 2-D screens.
aDyslecticCrow•1h ago
This is a very verbose essay that i don't feel quite says much. I want to put question the presented statistics a bit in particular.

The essay quotes studies showing the leisure-reading prevalence among teens and adults dropping. I do not see how this is relevant at all to "death of intellect and reason". Reading fiction can give a person new perspectives on life, but so could a movie or a manga or radio-show. It's a leisure activity. I'm far more worried about drop in reading and writing *proficiency* overall. Writing proficiently is dropping with LLMs in school, and reading proficiency is worse than the early 2000s. But i don't think this tells the whole story either.

I think the average person reads and writes as much as always thanks to the prevalence of technology. Keyboards, instant messaging, blogs, social media. Writing is easier than ever, and reading is more worthwhile than ever. But the *format* and media has shifted. This shift in format is not reflected when asking people "how often do you read" (people read constantly, but much fewer books).

And to question the very premise further; Reading isn't that brought the revolution in science and intelligence; better storage, spreading and access to knowledge is. That this came in the format of text should matter. If people engage with thought provoking reason through audio or visuals instead of text, what does that matter?

now, i AM worried about some of this. In particular the decline of news quality and consumption, rise in (seemingly) acquired ADHD, and a drop in writing proficiency (which i think is vital for deep thought and contemplation), but this article really does not discuss the issue fairly or well.

sema4hacker•1h ago
>Keyboards, instant messaging, blogs, social media.

I've got a 29-year-old employee from whom I receive texts and emails every day. The grammar and auto-spell word substitutions are frequently so bad I have to respond "do you mean X or Y?", and sometimes so confusing I can't parse their message at all.

>I think the average person reads and writes as much as always

Perhaps, but the writing quality has definitely taken a dive.

aDyslecticCrow•58m ago
Isn't that just the new standard set by phones and instant messaging? Iterative instant commutation rather than "letters" of formatted text. I too write a lot of messages in a single pass and press *send*, only to "edit" any errors afterawrds. (or a with good old "*afterwards" message afterwards)

Phones are the new default, but they are terrible for long form writing. Moving a cursor to the middle of a section or moving a section around is frankly more effort than its worth. Just send it and clarify later. I'm not saying its a good thing, but i would call it more of a shift than a decline. If you ask them to write a report the writing may spectacular, since they're actually by a proper keyboard and in a format with more strict writing standards.

JumpCrisscross•51m ago
> Isn't that just the new standard set by phones and instant messaging?

No, plenty of twentysomethings can competently communicate in writing. There are just a lost more today who are functionally illiterate.

incone123•48m ago
Having to question "do you mean x or y" because the sender is not clear is not iterating.
4ndrewl•1h ago
Having read it (it's neither dense nor verbose), I don't understand which of your points isn't addressed in the essay?
aDyslecticCrow•34m ago
It's not that the article did or didn't address something. It's the way the article addresses is makes be roll my eyes. I don't disagree with the premise itself, nor necessarily the conclusion. But some of the statistics brought up are irrelevant (as i mentioned), and the article reads more like a preach than a essay.

To me it read like a rant monologue about the youth, saying about 4 things but repeated over and over with different words. It's an essay written in bad faith to essay writing.

Fricken•1h ago
>Numerous studies show that reading is in free-fall. Even the most pessimistic twentieth-century critics of the screen-age would have struggled to predict the scale of the present crisis.

Marshall McLuhan, the media theorist, began his academic career as a scholar of Medieval history, but his attention soon turned to the Gutenberg press and the rise of literacy (over 3 centuries), and how it changed the way we think. He then applied his theories to radio, film, TV etc.

In the 1960s McLuhan was invited to tour the skunkworks at IBM, Xerox Parc, and Bell Labs where they were working on the early iterations and basic building blocks of what would become the internet we know today.

They showed him their vision for "Peer to peer electronic media", and McLuhan applied his theory of media to the not-yet-realized notion of social media.

He definitely saw it as something that would bring a death knell to the literary age, and recognized that social media was inherently tribalistic. According to McLuhan we would all be "marching to the beat of the tribal drums". And that brings us to today, wherein America is officially under the spell of state sponsored tribalism, and reading in the literary sense no longer holds court as the driver of our discourse and thinking.

The dude skated to the puck a good 30 years before it arrived, and he was extremely pessimistic. Mark Zuckerberg has claimed to be a McLuhan fan, but if he actually understands what McLuhan was saying, that's scary:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/amnesty-report-finds-face...

mallowfram•1h ago
He didn't grasp that speech and text were the same in terms of arbitrariness, and he couldn't see that narratives are basically illusions in terms of their meaning-load. We know from neurosci any event has two dimensions of meaning, where it carries in past memories already formed, and how it creates local memory in formation. Both are probably limitless, yet narratives ascribe intent and cause and effect to essentially turn us into meaning zombies, forever revisiting the same unidimensional intents and meanings as if they are applicable to real events. They simply aren't. Literacy is dead for reasons McLuhan could not have imagined. He never reached the leading edge of demythologization, which is where we are, and how literacy dies.
Djonckheere•1h ago
What a sobering indictment of our screen-obsessed world. It seems all roads lead back to the introduction of the smartphone —the mid-2010s, a critical turning point:

> "Never before has there been a technology like the smartphone. Where previous entertainment technologies like cinema or television were intended to capture their audience’s attention for a period, the smartphone demands your entire life. Phones are designed to be hyper-addictive, hooking users on a diet of pointless notifications, inane short-form videos and social media rage bait."

> "The average person now spends seven hours a day staring at a screen. For Gen Z the figure is nine hours. A recent article in The Times found that on average modern students are destined to spend 25 years of their waking lives scrolling on screens."

HPsquared•1h ago
Seven hours is the average person. I'm closer to 12 hours a day. The rest is sleeping / driving / walking / cooking. And during those times, I'm usually listening to something.
deadbabe•1h ago
I think the most optimistic future we could hope for now is some kind of Star Wars like future where incredible technology could be all around us but the vast majority of people do not participate much in its creation or maintenance, so the technology just becomes part of nature and we see people use it in illogical or anachronistic ways, because they don’t know any better. Life becomes something like the Middle Ages but with shiny tech instead of iron and stone. People can’t read because they just talk to their interfaces or communication devices. Most people have menial subsistence type jobs. And ruling over everything is some vast empire that is cartoonishly evil, because the people running it are as simple minded as the people they govern.
s46dxc5r7tv8•1h ago
The analysis feels quite wrong just based on pure physics. Where has that curiosity, interest, and engaged thought gone? It has not simply vanished into the screen without heat loss, it is transformed energy. The mind's eye may no longer be fixed on glyphs on paper but it certainly has not closed. Kids these days are fluent in languages of memes and rich with visual experience. Just because tiktoks are a few seconds long doesn't mean there is nothing in them. Perhaps the vogue visual learning of today is more in common with "trashy pulp fiction" but there isn't nothing at all there as the article suggests.

There will be some challenge in adapting to this new format but attention remains. We are just not converting this new medium into the best educational content as seen in the declining graphs. People are still hungry for knowledge and information about the world, they are just getting it in a more convenient form and who can blame them? I personally do not engage in any of the endless scroll feeds available today and despise social media. I read books both in digital and physical form and I graduated right near the peak of that literacy chart around 2009.

We just need to find better incentives for content creation and the rest will follow on it's own. Often this can only be done with regulation but what regulation can improve the quality of short form media? It will likely take those who grew up steeped in it to imagine the best way to change it for their own children.

dash2•19m ago
> We just need to find better incentives for content creation

Media is sold in a free market. Are you planning to abolish that? if not, how will you deal with the fact that people are addicted to crap?

keiferski•1h ago
I enjoy reading as much as anyone, but I find these kinds of posts to be very short-sighted.

First off, civilization precedes mass reading by millennia. To attribute the Enlightenment and modern industrial civilization to reading, and any counter-movement against the Enlightenment as anti-reading, is to fundamentally misunderstand most of history.

E.g., Romanticism was an explicitly anti-Enlightenment movement and arguably had more interest in poetry and literature than the forces it was reacting against. You could also probably make the argument that widespread reading via the printing press led to more anti-intellectualism culturally, as the onus of belief shifted from the elite priestly class to the popular individual.

Secondly, the vast, vast majority of people were not reading complex literature or scientific papers, they were reading the equivalent of Netflix series. Deep, intellectual reading has always been a niche thing reserved for a small percentage of the population.

Thirdly, and I think most importantly: reading is a historical technology. It's not the end-all greatest thing ever invented, never to be surpassed by anything new.

I personally think that audiovisual media is far, far superior to reading in many situations, especially for education - language learning, for example. The problem right now is that we're assuming that short clip-based media like TikTok is somehow the ultimate form of video. It's not, and short attention spans are more due to the economics of media consumption than anything inherent to the video format.

I think we're just very, very early in the development of a new media format that combines the best elements of text, audio, moving images, and other data in a way that is ultimately more compelling and effective than static words on paper. Video, like books, is ultimately a historical technology and not necessarily the end-all of future media.

analog8374•1h ago
100 years of pro-reading propaganda. Like nukes dropped on our culture. It will take time for those craters to fade. Until then expect everybody you meet to suffer from an irrational compulsion to read and venerate readers.
staplers•1h ago

  It's not the end-all greatest thing ever invented, never to be surpassed by anything new.
I think it lends itself well to inherited knowledge/wisdom, which is the main driver of societal advancement. Maybe new media can do this well or better but personally I haven't seen a better medium for direct transfer. Video and audio has too much abstraction involved.
keiferski•48m ago
I don't know, I think that a video of someone doing X thing is vastly more inheritable than a description of it in a book. For raw data or information though, sure, text is better.
achenet•1h ago
> I personally think that audiovisual media is far, far superior to reading.

I'd be very interested to know why you think this.

I personally prefer reading as a way to intake information, because I'm faster and more at least reading a bunch of stuff than I am watching a bunch of youtube videos.

keiferski•59m ago
Sorry I edited my comment and expanded it.

I think audiovisual media is better for most educational things, especially languages and skills. If you're learning Spanish or how to fix your car, I think a video (with audio) is better than a book most of the time. To be fair, there are definitely things better taught via book, but I do wonder if part of the reason why is 1) books have a longer history and 2) watching video is still kind of an awkward experience; I can't easily grab text from inside it or view the entire contents at once, like I can with text.

But more generally, I think audiovisual media just more closely matches the human experience of the world. Sitting hunched over an object looking at symbols is a learned activity, whereas watching and hearing something is more "natural" to people – see for example, how most languages were spoken-only for a long, long time before anyone wrote them down.

JumpCrisscross•44m ago
> Sitting hunched over an object looking at symbols is a learned activity, whereas watching and hearing something is more "natural" to people

Isn’t this the benefit? It’s conducive to abstract thought in a way recorded media is not. (The historical alternative is in-person rhetoric. As we all know, the online version is not substitute for debate.)

JumpCrisscross•46m ago
> civilization precedes mass reading by millennia

The elites were always voracious readers. Mass reading isn’t necessary for civilisation, but it probably is if we’re going to treat the masses like elites.

analog8374•34m ago
>The elites were always voracious readers

Since when? All the elites I know spend their time taking expensive vacations and doing too much drugs.

GeoAtreides•25m ago
>I personally think that audiovisual media is far, far superior to reading

From my personal experience, reading is the closest humankind as ever got to holodecks. There is nothing except reading that provides that level of immersion, and there will not be until we _actually_ invent the holodecks.

delichon•2m ago
I'm not so sure. I live in a reality with far more detail and fidelity than a holodeck, and I still often find books to be more immersive than that.
dzink•1h ago
I don’t disagree that the decline is there and that TikTok is really bad influence, but I also think reading has moved to online writing since books offer a much slower feedback mechanism (especially if others around you are not reading them). Books offered much more than not having information to those with initiative or enough push by educators. Now information is a lot more abundant and has faster (not necessarily better) delivery methods that don’t need involve cost before getting it. The problem with free is that it’s also likely influenced / paid by others. Social Media speeds up the delivery so much with visuals and audio that everything else seems far less attractive. The lazy consumer what’s easy and emotionally entertaining. Those who have more rigor and also enjoy faster flow, may get audiobooks and listen to them T 2x speed. Yet others now use AI to drill into areas that would take a lifetime of hunting down hard to find books. Information is more liquid now. The key is ensuring smart people know how to get what is real and helpful vs stuff that just showers them if they are lazy.
WaltPurvis•1h ago
I'm sympathetic to the concerns motivating this essay, but the charts related to test scores are ridiculous. The y-axis is so compressed it makes it look like performance has dramatically plummeted over the least 20-25 years, but the actual declines are basically 1-5%.
isodev•49m ago
But the point remains the same, we shouldn’t be seeing a decline at all…
WaltPurvis•43m ago
The "point" the article is trying to make is that there is a decline in literacy so severe that it means "the end of civilization" -- a strong claim, to say the least, and one that demands rather stronger evidence than a 1-5% decline in various measures of literacy/thinking. (Granted, test scores are not the only evidence he has marshaled.)
dash2•49m ago
But we don’t really know what the scale is. Like, a 100% reduction would presumably be very serious, completely unfit for skilled labour? so what does a 5% reduction mean?
lucideer•40m ago
This. I follow John Burns Murdoch on social media & normally find his work great so I was really surprised that the most egregious "graph crimes" shown in this article were visualisations created by him.

I'm risking engaging in similar hyperbole, so I must stress that they're not too egregious, just mildly misleading in their significance, but it does still put the article into some question.

The x-axes are also over relatively short time periods, presumably to deemphasize massive upward trends in previous decades.

mallowfram•14m ago
The results, from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), found that, on average, reading scores for 12th graders were 10 points lower in 2024 than they were in 1992,
ilaksh•58m ago
If you look at the actual ranges on his graphs, the conclusion is a little bit exaggerated, but the basic point is valid.

Education systems need to have very strong curriculum about AI use and the necessity of just not using it to some degree to be able to obtain any level of actual literacy or other competency.

Actually education should be redesigned to properly incorporate personalized AI tutoring and as part of that effort provide a supportive environment where students don't feel the need to go around it to cheat.

If the goal is to communicate and solve problems, the technologies will probably be a huge improvement if we can manage them properly.

I definitely do not have the depth of vocabulary that some 18th century readers had, but I am a good problem solver. Probably a more effective problem solver with AI. But kids do need to be trained that they will lose it if they don't use it.

If you look at the extreme amount of video content these days and combine that with the increasing abilities of AI video generation, there may be a trend towards more visual (and often more literal) communication.

I often find that screenshots or screencasts are important for technical communication.

But of course we don't have any visual replacement for the abilities of natural language so I hope we can keep that.

We need a deliberate and effective effort in education.

But we are rapidly approaching the era where your access to AI and robotics determines your labor productivity. So it increases the existing inequalities.

It comes down to the topology of the social networks and how the built environment and belief systems shape that. But the belief systems mostly serve the social groups rather than the other way around. So maybe what happens is determined by group dynamics.

Thank you to anyone who read my ramble.

JumpCrisscross•48m ago
> we are rapidly approaching the era where your access to AI and robotics determines your labor productivity

Some of the wealthiest, most powerful and yes, most productive people of the last decades had no clue how to use a computer or phone, interacting with it through staff.

Remember the folks who were teaching their kids to code ten years ago? How relevant is that today (beyond as a cognitive exercise)? Access to AI and robotics are secondary to other factors. Not the determinative ones, certainly not at the individual level.

motorest•47m ago
> Actually education should be redesigned to properly incorporate personalized AI tutoring and as part of that effort provide a supportive environment where students don't feel the need to go around it to cheat.

I have no idea what is this magical AI capable of tutoring that you're talking about. It is certainly not any of the AI models we see in the market, which hallucinate systematically and are only able to output remotely valid content if they are subjected to tight feedback loops.

drchopchop•48m ago
The article references a study which claims that university students have difficulty reading Dickens or Jane Austen. Here's an excerpt of the Dickens from the study:

"LONDON. Michaelmas term lately over, and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln’s Inn Hall. Implacable November weather. As much mud in the streets, as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill. Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snowflakes—gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun. Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers. Foot passengers, jostling one another’s umbrellas, in a general infection of ill-temper, and losing their foot-hold at street-corners, where tens of thousands of other foot passengers have been slipping and sliding since the day broke (if this day ever broke), adding new deposits to the crust upon crust of mud, sticking at those points tenaciously to the pavement, and accumulating at compound interest."

I'm a college-educated, reasonably well-read person and this is a rough paragraph to get through. Old idioms, excessively lengthy sentences, anachronisms (what is a "horse blinker"? "Michaelmas"?), etc. Why choose this type of subject matter to draw conclusions from?

JoBrad•34m ago
I would suggest you may be well read in certain areas, but not widely read. Blinkers are not an anachronism, and while Michaelmas may be less widely known than Christmas, it’s certainly still celebrated.
gtowey•17m ago
Agreed. The OP's declaration that this is a difficult read pretty much proves the point of the article.

Especially if you were entering university as an English major, it seems like table stakes to have a conceptual understanding that not all English is going to be in simple, modern terms. That is you're going to be reading books from a variety of time periods and cultural origins, you might need to develop an understanding of those sources.

mariusor•22m ago
For me personally, and I've never read Dickens in original English, it reads quite well. It's perhaps showing its age, but with a definite character and recognizable style. I'd call it a good piece of literature, and frankly would make me read more of the author, if his general choice of subjects wouldn't be so anachronistic and uninteresting for me personally.
dash2•10m ago
Honestly mate, you may be an example of what the article is talking about. As other people here have pointed out, the decline in reading skills begins with television not the smartphone. Same for the shorter sentences which make you find Dickens so hard.
lucideer•48m ago
I've read a bunch of these types of takes (though this is definitely one of the better referenced & more comprehensive ones) & there's an aspect I haven't seen raised in the context of the correlation of modern trends/changes with declines in literacy, IQ, etc.

The immediate goto is always either smartphones (as in this piece) or the world wide web. Other pieces looking at longer term trends might even reference TV (the dawn of media entertainment consumption without intentionality).

These are all focused on leisure: what we do in our spare time, presumably because we mostly read for pleasure in our spare time. What I rarely see highlighted is the growth of the so-called "knowledge economy" & the shift of common "workers" being employed in physically skilled jobs to common workers being employed in sedentary jobs requiring the application of (basic) literacy for most of our days.

Given we spend a lot more time in work than we do at leisure activities this contrast of an increase in (relatively mindless, unstimulating) "literate" activity in work with the decline in (focused, stimulating) literature-oriented leisure activities seems relevant in my mind.

jaybrendansmith•44m ago
Here's the preface to Bleak House by Dickens, in case anybody is interested: "A Chancery judge once had the kindness to inform me, as one of a company of some hundred and fifty men and women not laboring under any suspicions of lunacy, that the Court of Chancery, though the shining subject of much popular prejudice (at which point I thought the judge's eye had a cast in my direction), was almost immaculate. There had been, he admitted, a trivial blemish or so in its rate of progress, but this was exaggerated and had been entirely owing to the "parsimony of the public," which guilty public, it appeared, had been until lately bent in the most determined manner on by no means enlarging the number of Chancery judges appointed — I believe by Richard the Second, but any other king will do as well. This seemed to me too profound a joke to be inserted in the body of this book or I should have restored it to Conversation Kenge or to Mr. Vholes, with one or other of whom I think it must have originated. In such mouths I might have coupled it with an apt quotation from one of Shakespeare's sonnets: "My nature is subdued To what it works in, like the dyer's hand: Pity me, then, and wish I were renewed!" But as it is wholesome that the parsimonious public should know what has been doing, and still is doing, in this connexion, I mention here that everything set forth in these pages concerning the Court of Chancery is substantially true, and within the truth. The case of Gridley is in no essential altered from one of actual occurrence, made public by a disinterested person who was professionally acquainted with the whole of the monstrous wrong from beginning to end. At the present moment (August, 1853) there is a suit before the court which was commenced nearly twenty years ago, in which from thirty to forty counsel have been known to appear at one time, in which costs have been incurred to the amount of seventy thousand pounds, which is a friendly suit, and which is (I am assured) no nearer to its termination now than when it was begun. There is another well-known suit in Chancery, not yet decided, which was commenced before the close of the last century and in which more than double the amount of seventy thousand pounds has been swallowed up in costs. If I wanted other authorities for Jarndyce and Jarndyce, I could rain them on these pages, to the shame of — a parsimonious public. There is only one other point on which I offer a word of remark. The possibility of what is called spontaneous combustion has been denied since the death of Mr. Krook; and my good friend Mr. Lewes (quite mistaken, as he soon found, in supposing the thing to have been abandoned by all authorities) published some ingenious letters to me at the time when that event was chronicled, arguing ...
gcanyon•40m ago
> A study of English literature students at American universities found that they were unable to understand the first paragraph of Charles Dickens’s novel Bleak House — a book that was once regularly read by children.

First, I think this is overly crediting "children" and unnecessarily harsh to the university students. The first sentence of the book proper is, "LONDON. Michaelmas Term lately over, and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln's Inn Hall." It seems perfectly reasonable for an average person today to not know what "Michaelmas" is, but otherwise that's a fairly simple sentence. So I assume the above refers to the first sentence of the preface, which is:

> A CHANCERY Judge once had the kindness to inform me, as one of a company of some hundred and fifty men and women not labouring under any suspicions of lunacy, that the Court of Chancery, though the shining subject of much popular prejudice (at which point I thought the Judge's eye had a cast in my direction), was almost immaculate.

That's not a simple sentence: ~60 words, with multiple interjections splitting up the actual point: "A CHANCERY Judge once informed me that the Court of Chancery was almost immaculate."

Further, English has wandered substantially over the intervening ~175 years. This criticism seems akin to complaining that college students of 1800 had a hard time reading Shakespeare, when any contemporary child in 1600 could have understood his work (had they been able to read it at all).

Finally, this ignores the advance of technology. Books were, in their day, a huge technological advance. People could only read more because of moveable type and mass printing. Someone in 1600 might have lamented the mass standardization of printed material, saying that it depersonalized the communication of information.

Today, if someone finds Bleak house challenging, an LLM can modernize, simplify, or summarize as needed. We're on the verge of being able to turn it into a graphic novel on demand.

All to say: there's a point to be made about what information people choose to consume, but focusing on how they consume it misses the point.

leC0de•19m ago
Article was too long. Can someone tldr please? </s>
sexyman48•8m ago
Would writers please get to the point faster?