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The First Sodium-Ion Battery EV Is a Winter Range Monster

https://insideevs.com/news/786509/catl-changan-worlds-first-sodium-ion-battery-ev/
64•andrewjneumann•2h ago

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pkulak•1h ago
If this is “on par” with LFP energy density, I’m not sure there’s any need for LFP now. Sodium ion seems to thoroughly beat it in every other metric.
woeirua•54m ago
I haven’t seen any info on charging speed. Can you recharge these as quickly as LFP?
jillesvangurp•34m ago
CATL's Naxtra cells apparently have a c rating of 5C. Which boils down to about 12 minutes for a full charge with the right charger. So, as fast or faster than LFP would be the answer here.
rootusrootus•15m ago
If they have a 5C rating from 0 to 100 that would be a real game changer. I look forward to the days we don't need caveats like "only up to 80%".
loeg•45m ago
On par on a per kg basis, but is it on par on a volume basis? If it takes up more space, that might pose packaging challenges relative to LFP.
adrian_b•4m ago
I have no idea about the characteristics of these new sodium-ion batteries, but there is a great likelihood that they auto-discharge much faster than LFP batteries.

This means that if you do not use the car for some time, you may need to recharge it before you can use it again.

Otherwise I agree with what you said.

lightedman•1h ago
I suspect we will be finding this technology being used a fair bit in aerospace tech like satellites to compliment the onboard solar, given the low-temp operational capability.
gpm•1h ago
Do satellite batteries run cold?

Given the difficulty of radiating heat away I would have expected the opposite.

Especially considering the incentive to send up as little battery as possible, and the very predictable day/night cycle leading to the ability to precisely predict how small a battery you can get away with...

letharion•1h ago
What I wanted to know from the article:

  The CATL Naxtra sodium-ion battery will debut in the Changan Nevo A06 sedan, delivering an estimated range of around 400 kilometers (249 miles) on the China Light-Duty Test Cycle.
and

   It delivers 175 watt-hours per kilogram of energy density, which is lower than nickel-rich chemistries but roughly on par with LFP
Flavius•1h ago
Retaining 90% range at -40°C sounds like a game changer, almost too good to be true. I'm definitely going to need to see some third-party real-world range tests to validate those claims before getting too excited.
tedd4u•27m ago
And human occupants will still run the heater more in winter. But it sounds like there could be a future where makers offer a sodium battery and heat pump version of their cars for sale in colder climates.
rootusrootus•19m ago
> future where makers offer a sodium battery and heat pump version

AFAIK most EVs already use heat pumps today, so the future happens whenever sodium batteries become mainstream.

cosmic_cheese•6m ago
IIRC there are some surprising holdouts, at least in the NA market. For example as far as I'm aware the Mustang Mach-E still ships with a resistive heater.
jopsen•17m ago
I think our id.4 2023 model already has that. It has crappy software too. Great car, drives fantastically, but horrific software!

But if they add buttons back as planned, I might be willing to try a new id.4 in 5-10 years.

epistasis•11m ago
Gasoline engines are already 15% less efficient at 20F.

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather

At -40F (-40C), it's generally good practice to just stay inside and not drive at all...

seiferteric•4m ago
> Gasoline engines are already 15% less efficient at 20F.

Is that actually true once the engine has reached operating temperature?

helterskelter•1m ago
I'm curious as well. You'd think a greater temperature difference would lead to efficiency gains. In practice, I believe winter fuel mixes counter these gains.
instagib•1h ago
“As always, we’ll have to wait for independent testing for real-world results.”

interested in hot desert weather performance which often gets lost in the averages.

ezfe•1h ago
I don't understand what these headlines are really about, given that 75% of the range loss in my EV is from CABIN climate control.
rootusrootus•13m ago
That seems really out of proportion with the experience of others, you may want to get it checked out. Do you have an older model with resistive heat and no seat heaters?
ebiederm•3m ago
My EV is absolutely terrible range wise at cold weather. It is EPA rated at 220miles of range. I only see that when the temperature is at or above 80F.

Most of the winter it tells me I can only do between 100 and 120 miles. It is definitely half the EPA range with climate controls disabled at 0F. (Ask me how I know).

I love driving it in the winter. I don't have a pressing need to go long distances, so that is not a current concern. Not having to stand outside in the bitter cold to fuel up in absolutely awesome.

There are EVs on the market that do much, much better than mine in cool weather and I now know what to look for.

To really penetrate the midwest it will take a car that can realistically do a road trip to Florida from say Duluth, MN or Michigan's UP in the winter.

Because not only do folks in the midwest drive long distances without a second thought, they sometimes do it in the cold of winter so they can get a break from the snow.

So yes still getting 90% of the range at -40C does sound attractive.

anthonyIPH•1h ago
Do any US automakers have anything in the pipes using Sodium-Ion batteries? A quick search turned up info on a plant mass producing the batteries in Holland, MI but no mention of when they would be available. As someone in the market for an EV within the next year or 2, and also currently enduring a month long stretch of temps in the single digits and below, cold weather performance has suddenly become a huge consideration.
loeg•47m ago
Cold weather performance with heat pumps and lithium batteries is fine. Don't worry about it. I wouldn't try to hold my breath until a US automaker produces a sodium battery EV.
throwaway894345•40m ago
It’s only “fine” if you live in the southern US where freezing conditions are rare and/or never drive anywhere near your winter range and you have a garage charger or some other easy access to a charge station. Anything outside of those conditions and winter range issues are painful.
rootusrootus•16m ago
And yet, some of the biggest proponents of EVs live in frigid areas of Canada and the US. As it turns out, range loss is not really a huge deal for a lot of people, but being able to get in your car and drive without worrying about whether it will start at all is nice. No plugging in a block heater, no worry about fuel gelling, no warm up time. And you can pre-condition the interior so it is warm when you get in. With a modern EV you could lose 50% range and still have plenty for your daily commute. Even a fairly long commute.
wat10000•11m ago
Having a garage charger and never driving more than your winter range on any given day is a pretty common situation.
jillesvangurp•40m ago
LFP battery production in the US only recently reached larger scale; so I expect it will be a while before they get around to sodium ion. With all the tariffs, they'd have to license technology and build local factories to get started. That will probably be a few years at least. Or the tariffs might become more reasonable at some point and they could import battery cells a bit sooner than that. But probably not until the end of this decade.
loeg•49m ago
Nothing in the article really substantiates the headline (currently "The First Sodium-Ion Battery EV IS a Winter Range Monster").

The EV described in the article has a standardized range of 250 miles. This isn't a range monster in any condition. There is some gesturing that Sodium batteries don't require as much active heating in cold conditions. But nothing is quantified.

As usual with sci-tech broadly and batteries specifically: it's exciting that sodium batteries are coming to market; we can be optimistic that maybe in the future they will provide lots of range, or be less expensive, or maybe less flammable than today's lithium batteries. But the marketing hype is running miles ahead of reality.

throwaway894345•43m ago
> But the marketing hype is running miles ahead of reality.

The marketing hype is the true range monster

cess11•29m ago
It makes this claim:

"The Long-Range Version sets a new record for light commercial vehicles with a single-pack capacity of 253 kWh, achieving a maximum range of 800km."

That would be some 720 km at -40 C if the numbers are correct. I'm not well versed in this area and not sure if these batteries are comparable to those in personal vehicles, but the ones I've heard owners talk about have a reach at about half that if it's cold at all.

rootusrootus•12m ago
> less flammable than today's lithium batteries

If we put aside the politics, what are the actual statistics behind lithium battery fires today? And don't LFP's have negligible fire risk?

I feel like my gasser F250 had a higher risk of spontaneously combusting.

Anduia•39m ago
Less bloated site:

https://carnewschina.com/2026/01/22/catl-unveils-worlds-firs...

smiley1437•8m ago
Out the gate, sodium ion advantages are so significant that unless there is some surprise show-stopper it will likely become the dominant energy storage medium.

Crustal abundance up to 1000x that of lithium - pretty much every nation has effectively unlimited supply, it's no longer a barrier or a geographically limited resource like lithium.

No significant damage going down to 0V, can even be stored at 0V - much safer than lithium which gets excitable once out of its prefered voltage range.

Cold weather performance down to -30C - northern latitude users don't have as much range anxiety in the winter.

Basically, the only problem I see is that companies that have made significant long-term investments in lithium could take a big hit. Countries that banked on their lithium reserves as a key future resource for will have to adjust their strategy.

Lithium batteries will likely still have a place in the high performance realm but but for the majority of run-of-the-mill applications - everything from customer electronics to EVs to offgrid storage - it's hard to see how sodium-ion wouldn't quickly replace it.

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https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch
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