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Local Stack Archived their GitHub repo and requires an account to run

https://github.com/localstack/localstack
83•ecshafer•2h ago

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garrettjoecox•1h ago
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
stanac•1h ago
So is local stack dead? Is this situation the lesser evil? Or is it not dead and we will see a villain rise?

Edit: I see now, they have commercial offerings: https://www.localstack.cloud/pricing

I am not sure if my corp will be willing to pay or tell us to find something else, but I use it everyday, our integration tests depend on local stack.

ksajadi•1h ago
Complete coincidence but today I was looking for an AWS mock for E2E tests. Not the whole AWS footprint but just a few services and looked at LocalStack for the first time.

It took Claude to put together a service (with web interface and everything) for those 2 services 15 mins.

I’m not claiming my experience is translated universally but perhaps if your core competency is something like LocalStack you need to think about alternative business ideas.

supriyo-biswas•1h ago
Well LLMs are trained on code like those from Localstack, and a lot of them can be emulated to first order as CRUD operations, so its rather unsurprising. It does mean that things do become difficult for pure tech SaaS businesses like this one, and as also seen with Tailwind.
matt_callmann•1h ago
What are the alternatives? I primarily used it for S3 and SQS emulation.
kadoban•1h ago
I haven't evaluated it deeply yet, but I saw https://github.com/hectorvent/floci
pfix•1h ago
I've fiddled around with https://docs.getmoto.org/en/latest/docs/server_mode.html

It didn't support the one thing I wanted but it was so easy to find the right place in the code, I was happy. Never got to continue it though or turn it into a PR

luis_cho•1h ago
I am about to test this one http://docs.getmoto.org/en/latest/index.html
cyberax•1h ago
For S3 emulation, I'm using rustfs. It's very compact and fast to run, and you can just start it with `docker run` inside tests if you don't want to set up a full integration test harness.

I used an SQS-on-top-of-Redis emulation before, but I can't recommended it now (no updates for 6 years).

bytK7•1h ago
I haven't used this yet, but there's also https://github.com/robotocore/robotocore. It came up on HN a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47420619.
atls•1h ago
It's not a complete replacement, but if you're in a Python ecosystem, you might find Moto to be of interest.

https://github.com/getmoto/moto

henriks•7m ago
at least some parts of localstack seemed to be built on moto, based on a brief look at some point
strickjb9•57m ago
MinIO is a drop in replacement for S3. I plan on switching to this as soon as I can. For now, I just pinned localstack to 4.14.0
zanecodes•53m ago
>MinIO

I have some bad news for you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47000041

kaelin•26m ago
It's comedic that they said that right after Minio pulled the same thing as localstack.
watermelon0•40m ago
RustFS is a good and simple-to-usr alternative for MinIO.
iaaan•1h ago
I evangelized localstack at my company a while back, but as we integrated it deeper into our CI test runs we started running into more and more things they don't support, and it feels impossible to get any attention from their support/devs despite being paying customers.

Their Cloud Pod and ephemeral instance features in particular feel pretty half-baked and not very useful at the moment.

Fun tangent: it's pretty easy to write a crack for the pro version; we actually used that for about a month as a pilot to confirm that it would do what we needed it to.

redwood•1h ago
I too was excited about the idea originally but then started realizing that they will have an increasingly untenable service area to try and maintain and mimic and it was just never going to work out.
cyanydeez•6m ago
It does seem like LLMs might make that a real proposition; of course, after these commercial enterprises steal copyright, copyleft and open source code, and the tooling gets good enough to download their cars, a new legion of DMCA lawyers and lobbies will be unleashed.

Prep yourself though for that napster bloom, it'll be here shortly.

tecleandor•1h ago
They still have linked their OpenCollective account, where they have raised $10K and still have a balance of $5K. [0]

It's not a lot in the great scheme of things, but, have they been using a platform that's seemingly built for communities and open source to bootstrap their business?

Because this is not a 'open core' situation. They just closed the repo and ran away. If they had that idea all along, I feel like it hasn't be very, let's say, ethical.

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  0: https://opencollective.com/localstack#category-ABOUT
armchairhacker•49m ago
“Open core” is when part of the product is open-source and part is private.

Was a significant part of the product private before this announcement?

If not, someone can fork the repo and immediately launch a competitor (FOSS or paid). (Technically even if so, except it wouldn’t be immediate, and if they’d have to re-implement too much, it would be easier to start from scratch.)

thefreeman•26m ago
yes, there were a large number of AWS products and features that were only available with a subscription
thayne•24m ago
Yes there were significant portions that were proprietary before this, including support for some services.

The parts that were open source might still be worth forking, but you would probably need to change every occurrence of the name to avoid trademark issues.

hungryhobbit•30m ago
Wait, so a company shared their work with the public for however long, then decided to leave what was shared up ... but stop sharing ... and you're upset?!?

They did everything properly by the rules of OSS, decided it wasn't in their best interest to keep doing OSS, and left all their code available, as required by OSS. They were a textbook good participant.

Meanwhile, 99% of companies never open source anything: why aren't you complaining about how "unethical" they are?

imiric•18m ago
How can people still not understand that OSS can be abused?

It doesn't matter that the previous code is still available. Nobody can technically delete it from the internet, so that's hardly something they did "right".

The original maintainers are gone, and users will have to rely on someone else to pick up the work, or maintain it themselves. All of this creates friction, and fragments the community.

And are you not familiar with the concept of OSS rugpulls? It's when a company uses OSS as a marketing tool, and when they deem it's not profitable enough, they start cutting corners, prioritizing their commercial product, or, as in this case, shut down the OSS project altogether. None of this is being a "textbook good participant".

> Meanwhile, 99% of companies never open source anything: why aren't you complaining about how "unethical" they are?

Frankly, there are many companies with proprietary products that behave more ethically and have more respect for their users than this. The fact that a project is released as OSS doesn't make it inherently better. Seeing OSS as a "free gift" is a terrible way of looking at it.

inetknght•6m ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

You might want to get your arguments in order. In one sentence you're calling OSS rugpulls a problem, and then in another you're claiming that proprietary products behave more ethically.

So which is it? Is it less-ethical to have provided software as open source, and then later become a proprietary product? Why? I see having source code, even for an old/unmaintained product be strictly superior to having never provided the source code no matter how much "respect" the company has for their users today.

etchalon•17m ago
Because this thread isn't about those other companies.
jayofdoom•48m ago
More reason to run your infrastructure using open source software in your own datacenter. OpenStack has been around for closing in on two decades, running clouds and being mostly governance-drama-free.

It's not surprising that a proprietary ecosystem built on open source software locked up behind a gate doesn't make a worthwhile ecosystem for building open source tooling against.

hrmtst93837•34m ago
Running OpenStack for this is a massive project cost compared to spinning up a few local services, and the operational mess is on a different planet from "I need to fake a handful of API calls on my laptop". Self-hosting still means updates, drivers, and k8s/OpenStack glue code. Nobody sane are doing that for local dev, use Minikube or Podman if you want DIY and still like weekends.
the_mitsuhiko•43m ago
Did localstack never get bit enough that a fork would emerge or am I missing an obvious one?
stitched2gethr•32m ago
Try proxymock. It's not open source but it is free to use.
jzelinskie•29m ago
An emulator for integration testing against the major cloud providers seems like it should:

1. be table-stakes for a SDK from the cloud providers themselves

2. have the obvious home in a foundation like the CNCF; how else could you be "cloud native" afterall?

inglor•18m ago
First minio and then localstack, as an open source maintainer I find that abandoning their community is bad faith. I totally get wanting to monetize but removing the free product entirely feels like such a betrayel.

Luckily, I've been vibing with Devin since this started having it build a cleanbox emulator on top of real s3 tuned for my specific use case. It's a lot less general but it's much faster and easy to add the sort of assertions I need in it. It's no localstack but for my limited use case it works.

obsidianbases1•15m ago
There's going to be a lot of complaints about open-source restricting access.

It's going to keep happening because it just doesn't make sense for a lot of previous business models that supported and open-source project, something that was seen recently with tailwind.

In one of my projects, one that remains source-available, I had encountered an "open-source justice warrior" that made it their mission to smear the project because of the switch, grasping at straws to do everything they could to paint my intentions as malicious.

It's really too bad, and will only hurt the availability of free alternatives if one cannot provide the source under a "just don't commercially compete with the paid version of the product" license without getting branded as a scamming cash grabber

dbacar•4m ago
I bet they will be deleting code from the archived code just like that minio people.

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