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Mac gaming is finally getting the overpowered upgrade it deserves

https://www.macworld.com/article/3189951/apples-latest-game-porting-toolkit-beta-changed-how-i-think-about-mac-gaming.html
24•kristianp•1h ago

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bigyabai•59m ago
The original GPTK was mostly comprised of forked code. This bump likely includes a lot of the upstream optimizations that other ARM gamers have been using for a while now.
bakoo•54m ago
The high pixel response time on macbook displays means you'll want an external monitor for multiplayer shooters etc., which most gamers are already fine with, but annoying if you want to game while travelling.
JSR_FDED•40m ago
Not a “Gamer” so I’m always surprised small things like this make a difference.

As a rule of thumb, what is a minimum frame rate a game needs? From there how much does each extra fps make a difference, and at what point do you hit diminishing returns?

WaxProlix•29m ago
Pixel response time is a related concept to framerate but more about how long it takes a pixel to change from one color to the next. Usually measured in cycle time from grey to grey again, a low rate just means that images will be smooshy looking, have unclear boundaries, and end up with a 'motion blur' effect. So even if your mbp supports a reasonable sounding 120hz (8.33ms for a full frame sweep), some of those pixels will still be in transition when the next frame hits. At least, my take on it as a somewhat casual gamer.
shoo•23m ago
It depends wildly on the type of game.

e.g. if you're playing a single player turn-based strategy game, you might be taking a few seconds between each decision & UI interaction. Some hard turns you might step away from the computer to think things through for minutes without touching the controls. 30fps for a game like that could be fine. 15-20fps might even be fine, especially if the game engine manages to avoid adding unnecessary input latency & is able to process input events at a faster rate even if the render runs at a low framerate.

If you're playing competitive FPS games, where reflexes matter, you'd want to get input, network & video latency as low as possible, within reason. Not high-frequency trading low. I have no idea at what point it stops making a competitive difference. If you have +100ms more latency than I do, I suspect that'd give me a noticeable advantage. If you have +10ms more latency than I do, I'm not sure that matters.

Dan Luu wrote an article about input latency [1] in 2017 where he measured latency by running experiments pressing a key & measuring how long it takes to see a response on the screen. New computers from 2017 would have around 70ms-170ms latency, depending on the model.

[1] https://danluu.com/input-lag/

thot_experiment•2m ago
I very much don't trust that article as a baseline. YMMV but I measured with a 240hz camera with a mid-high tier computer and a 144hz monitor in 2018 and a nice computer w/ 165hz in 2025 and I never got the huge latencies he experienced, I had click to photon of something like 10 frames max, so 42ms, with the average IIRC being closer to 5 frames.
bparsons•53m ago
The example they give is a frame rate boost on GTA V - a game released 16 years ago.
fragmede•33m ago
It's not the author's fault that GTA VI hasn't come out yet.
Nursie•5m ago
Yeah, but at 176 FPS, at first glance it seems competitive with the abilities of some fairly recent dGPUs from nvidia/AMD, though obviously we don't have benchmark-level details here.

I think this is an article allowing quiet optimism rather than all-out celebration.

m463•31m ago
Do macs really have GPUs though? Or are they like intel integrated graphics?
weikju•30m ago
An on-board GPU is not a GPU?
lalaithion•26m ago
Yes they have GPUs.
wtallis•4m ago
You might want to not only re-evaluate what you consider a real GPU, but also take a look at what the latest Intel integrated graphics is capable of (Panther Lake laptop chips with 12-core GPU chiplet fabbed by TSMC). Intel is still way behind NVIDIA and AMD in the discrete graphics card market, and their drivers don't have the decades of accumulated hacks to work around badly-written games, but their good iGPUs aren't a nightmare of incompatibility and missing features like they were 15 years ago.
t-3•5m ago
Isn't the translation layer going away soon though?
Jyaif•3m ago
I don't think the Game Porting Toolkit is useful these days. LLMs one-shot ports from one graphics API to another.

In other words, just like programming languages, graphical API are irrelevant now.

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