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Google Search Is Dying. What Comes Next Is Worse

https://thewalrus.ca/google-search-is-dying/
46•awnird•1h ago

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danpalmer•1h ago
It's hard to get past the beginning of this article and take it at all seriously. The quote someone who missed a sunset because they asked google and supposedly got the wrong time... but they didn't think to look at the sun or lack thereof to check? Also when I put "when does the sun set today" I get a single exact figure at the top of my results, not from AI, which is honestly the best kind of result – an exact correct answer.
tayo42•36m ago
They were planning their day for a specific time to be somewhere. If you're looking at the sun it's to late...
BeetleB•8m ago
That's fine, but arguing that Google should give accurate times based on where you are is ... crazy?

In the pre-LLM days it was cool that Google did weather, unit conversions, sports results, etc. But that's not even close to their value proposition. Even 5 years ago if someone told me they had planned a photograph and got it wrong because Google gave them the wrong time for sunset, I would have called them a moron for relying on Google! There are sites and apps dedicated to this. Use one of them!

georgemcbay•56m ago
From a user perspective, Google search is the most useful it has been in years, though that doesn't feel entirely like intentional improvement, just a lucky side effect of the move to "AI mode".

And yes, if you take what the AI tells you at face value it could be wrong. But if you are aware of this and aware of the ways in which LLMs are likely to shit the bed, it is quicker to get from request to useful information than it has been with Google search since like 2017.

And also, yes, the old balance of Google driving clicks to sites that will then generate revenue off more Google Ads being shown after you click through to them creating a virtuous cycle is completely busted, and that sucks. It does not impact me directly but it certainly seems like unless a better system is devised that it is one of a few ways in which AI is likely to stall out its own training funnel.

Gualdrapo•47m ago
> But if you are aware of this and aware of the ways in which LLMs are likely to shit the bed, it is quicker to get from request to useful information than it has been with Google search since like 2017.

The point is not about 'quicker' requests but precise requests. It definitely has worsened, though not on a single degree on al levels like the HN hivemind claims, but some aspects are still somewhat precise but others are definitely crap.

i.e. when searching about my neighborhood it still returns better results than bing, yahoo, ddg, yandex and what have you. But they are buried into a load of crap of alleged "relevant" results (those things past the ai stuff) that aren't relevant in any way.

bloaf•25m ago
Yandex is the only search engine left which still feels like the "old" web. It feels like you're actually getting a best effort search, and not just the results that someone paid to put in front of you.
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novafunc•38m ago
I occasionally use Google Search when DuckDuckGo fails to give me relevant. Almost always, Google has better results.

Though I can find its AI answers annoying aggressive. I'll look up like two search terms and the AI will bullshit multiple paragraphs out of despite having zero context of what I am looking for.

DuckDuckGo seems to have detection of whether it should give an AI answer. And it allows you to have more granular control of when you want to get an AI answer. And is overall less distracting than Google's.

comrade1234•35m ago
I spent the last three days (off and on) using Gemini to configure my edge router 4 with my iOS devices on a vpn and it's been awesome. In the past I'd do a google search and read a few sources of documentation, do another google search and read another set of documentation. Now, Gemini aggregates multiple pages together so all of the work of reading source docs from multiple locations is now n a single step.

Oh, I should mention though. There was no advertising at all. They didn't make any money off me. It was 100% Gemini which I recognize as not long-term feasible.

ls612•27m ago
I built a simple Claude Code container on my homelab to do the same. I can just SSH in and get tech support when I need it.
stringfood•18m ago
no, no, no. you are supposed to romanticize the hunt for correct information /s
charcircuit•34m ago
It would be beneficial for the author to look at the revenue for Google Search. Revenue is still growing.
echelon•32m ago
There is probably a lag time before advertisers give up on AdSense.

A lot of corporate ad spend is already planned, and Google can adjust the costs up as much as they like. They hold the lever.

charcircuit•31m ago
If search engine competitors were really eating Google's lunch then ad impressions would go down.
panarky•27m ago
Indeed.

Not only is search revenue growing, but it is growing at an accelerating rate.

At the same time, operating margins are expanding.

I don't know the name of the logical fallacy where someone personally uses an LLM instead of Google Search and then infers that the search business is dying, without ever reading a financial statement.

Chinjut•6m ago
Indeed. Money over everything. It is absurd to complain about decreasing quality of a product that makes increasing money for increasingly rich people (thus, by definition, better).
schaefer•29m ago
Kagi search today is better than Google search ever was.

And it’s clear that Google’s Ad model ultimately created a priority inversion. The advertisers became the customer.

I am so glad Kagi came along with a business model that is actually working.

onemoresoop•25m ago
I was wondering how would Kagi scale/expand if all of a sudden google were to stop serving search altogether (not likely) or alter search such that users look for alternatives.
umvi•27m ago
I feel like collecting, curating, and protecting high quality corpuses of "truth" is going to become increasingly important for high quality AI.

There will come a day (and probably soon) when "training on the public internet" (Reddit, etc) will taint your model with metric tons of corporate contamination, political poison, and other adversarial content intentionally crafted to bias AIs for various reasons (corporate gain, geopolitical information warfare, etc). Basically the AI-equivalent of SEO.

hadlock•21m ago
I think most everyone already has a curated training library; Web scraping exists but I don't think anyone is still using it as a primary information vector
jessetemp•20m ago
All of that already existed for the purpose of biasing people and now it biases ai for free. A company would have to make an effort to remove or change the bias
amazingamazing•25m ago
[2011] The Atlantic - Why Google Won't Survive the Facebook Threat.

I’ll add this article to the list of incorrect predictions lol

ElProlactin•24m ago
There's too much going on in this article and while I think some of the points are valid, others go too far.

A lot of the "cultural record" the author refers to is just digital junk. Random digital content that very few people care about, if we're being honest. Trying to hoard every bit of digital information ever produced is not the same thing as preserving "culture".

Case in point:

> Even the increasing use of ephemeral formats like Instagram Stories and WhatsApp status updates means that large portions of cultural, social, and political communication are never conserved in the first place. As a society, we can probably survive bad search results and come up with another way to schedule a sunset make-out session. But we can’t aspire to sovereignty if we can’t retain and retrieve our collective memory.

For most of human history, nobody was trying to "conserve" every cultural, social or political communication ever produced, and I fail to see how Instagram Stories and WhatsApp status updates, many of which aren't even truly broadcast publicly for all to see, are part of some imaginary "collective memory."

If you find a web page, see an Instagram Story or receive a message that's important to you, save it or take a screenshot. But let's not pretend all these things belong in a global Digital Civilizational Archives.

forgetfreeman•20m ago
The most frustrating part of all of this is the underlying premise that the internet is, has been, or could ever be a credible cultural record is deeply stupid. Or maybe more charitably it's both historically and technically illiterate. It has always taken continuous unwavering effort on some person's part to keep any given piece of content online. And while managing a simple hosting account and updating domain registration periodically doesn't take a tremendous amount of effort 20 years is a long time to expect anyone to maintain enthusiasm. The internet has always been a frothy, ever changing blend of the odd nugget of truth drifting in a sea of unadulterated bullshit. Treating this, or worse what comes from statistically averaging it, as a source of capital T truth is totally unhinged. From whence did this mythology of online truth spring?
qudat•13m ago
Funny as I just cancelled my Kagi sub to get the Gemini ai pro sub. The deal was too good to pass up
t-writescode•2m ago
Kagi does have AI too, for what it’s worth. I found it pretty damn good, but I wish I could give them more money. I have a year subscription so I’m stuck without being able to give them *anything* until it’s done.
27m ago
As someone who regularly reads things online, then wants to read them again like 3 years later, Google has been monotonically declining in quality.

Also I realized the other day how hard it is to find song lyrics for anything other than quite mainstream songs.

georgemcbay•22m ago
> As someone who regularly reads things online, then wants to read them again like 3 years later, Google has been monotonically declining in quality.

I generally agree, but I think AI mode actually improved things somewhat compared to how things were just prior to it existing.

And I'm not saying what we have now is better than Golden Age Google, but things were just getting worse and worse for almost a decade. AI didn't fix the decade worth of decline, but it is the first thing I've seen from Google that at least partially reversed it for my own usage.

bloaf•2m ago
I think they make things worse, because they very very often present straight inaccurate information.

Just the other day I was trying to find out "What american tree species have the deepest roots". And all the AI responses were giving me back generic lists of big trees and claiming that roots going 20ft deep were the deepest. I know for a fact the mesquite trees behind my house can easily grow roots > 100 ft deep.

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