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Flock cameras used to arrest a child for playing on a swing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koclOnlde0E
87•chadgpt3•1h ago

Comments

uberman•56m ago
When I was a kid twisting a swing so you could ride it as it untwisted was something that happend dozens of times every recess. This was something every kid did. If your playground equipment falls apart as a result of the standard way kids use a swing then I think that is a manufacture issue not criminal behavior by a 10 year old
GlibMonkeyDeath•36m ago
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/pennsylvania-girls-10...

"The borough also says visitors encounter its "Play Smart Rules" when entering the park, including a specific instruction: "Do not twist chains.""

So the town buys crappy swings, knowing full well that kids are going to spin them (who hasn't done this a million times as a kid?) Then they slap up a sign telling the kids not to do that. Basically entrapment.

Here's an idea for them: maybe the town shouldn't cheap out on unsafe equipment for children...

rpdillon•35m ago
Yep! We used to call it "twist and shout". Tons of fun.
Avicebron•31m ago
Why is a 3rd party company keeping videos of people's children? Why aren't the parents concerned about this?
swader999•28m ago
Right? Growing up in the eighties we'd twist, stand on them, double up, back flip out of them.
smalltorch•15m ago
It's marginally cheaper to install flimsy chains and surveillance than to pony up for a slightly thicker gauge chain get out of here with your common sense /s
jerlam•48m ago
Here is a direct news link to the actual incident: https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/springdale-girls-cou...
heaney-555•22m ago
The article has no mention of Flock
jerlam•12m ago
Flock may not actually be involved. YouTube video titles are often lying clickbait, and the video description starts off with "Flock and other surveillance cameras..."
kraken_cult•10m ago
Might as well call them Kleenex surveillance cameras. The point stands.
megaman821•5m ago
No, people should say accurate things. If Flock was not actually invovled then it is just useless clickbait. Give your time to someone else who can report accurately.
nicksaroha•16m ago
Yeah read the full article and no mention of flock.
nomagicbullet•45m ago
I don't think we understand yet the kind of world we are building.

All the small decisions we are making will shape our future: algorithmic decision making, social network broadcasting and "self-reporting", light-speed meme transmission, always-on audio and video surveillance... the list goes on and on. One day we'll wake up to see we've build a jail around us we can't escape.

vkou•39m ago
The vermin that are building it understand it just fine.
chneu•30m ago
The consumer chooses convenience for skill/knowledge and then complains about the outcome of their choice.

It's wild.

kraken_cult•24m ago
It'S ThEiR FaUlT, I'M juSt MaKinG mOneY. Is such a lame excuse. A real engineer knows ethical boundaries. Get lost.
porkshoe•10m ago
American citizens are not choosing to be surveilled via Flock.

That is a decision that is being made by billionaires like Paul Graham who fund and profit from it, and authoritarian individuals at police departments and governments who get influenced by the perceived convenience of warrant and subpoena-free surveillance.

I carry a cell phone... and thankfully the Supreme Court has agreed that my location data that comes off of it is protected from warrantless search.

The heart of your argument is that people shouldn't do anything new unless they accept all of the downsides as-is... but that's a moronic argument. Society is built by people doing new things _but also_ working to come up with new agreements on how to manage the side effects of those new things. This is normal and natural.

What's wild is your decision to mock people who want to preserve liberty while advancing technology.

neilv•44m ago
That link is an activist YouTube channel. Closest I could find to a news organization reporting on this:

https://www.wtae.com/article/springdale-playground-swing-cou...

sparkling•8m ago
No mention of Flock anywhere in the text
donmcronald•41m ago
If the chain broke from twisting it up and letting it go, it was in disrepair before the kids started using it. Maybe the city admin should be charged with negligence for letting the infrastructure crumble.
k310•38m ago
Government and industry enter the Epstein zone. Creep-shooting little kids.

Not surprised at all.

fedpost•33m ago
There are plenty of people here working on surveillance tech. Is this the world you want to be building?
Dig1t•30m ago
I thought these cameras were only used to read license plates. What happened to that discussion?
torstenvl•23m ago
It was never true.
jerlam•22m ago
The content creator is using "Flock" as a shorthand for all surveillance cameras, which muddies the conversation.
heaney-555•20m ago
They are. These aren't Flock cameras. The post is a lie, but it's one people want to believe.
tssva•13m ago
LPR cameras are only one of the camera types Flock has. Flock also has PTZ and fixed cameras meant for general surveillance and not LPR. The description of the PTZ cameras on the Flock website even mentions them being ideal for parks.

"Single and dual lens live and recorded video cameras with remote PTZ controls. Ideal for open areas like parking lots, intersections and parks."

tssva•12m ago
In addition to their LPR cameras Flock also has PTZ and fixed cameras meant for general surveillance.
demibabs•29m ago
As much as I dislike flock, this only seems like an indictment on the police.
demosthanos•24m ago
Surveillance cameras (not Flock, sounds like) are what allowed the police to spend ridiculous amounts of the city's time chasing (checks notes) $295 of damage to a swing from totally normal use by a couple of pre-teens.

Swings have always broken. Before widespread surveillance the swing would have just been replaced or not and everyone would have moved on.

aspbee555•27m ago
How much money did they waste in police and court resources over a swing obviously in disrepair if it broke so easily? How much resources/money did they waste having someone create invoices for numerous children/families? How much resources/money did they waste on harassing/tormenting children and their families instead of just fixing the damn thing?

So nice to see such enormous time and resources being spent on catching actual criminals

kraken_cult•13m ago
right, it probably cost two new swing sets in people's time to make this even happen.
jolmg•23m ago
> They tell me in a lengthy statement in part that the department would never issue an ultimatum of pay for the damage or your children will be charged. They tell me quote, "We simply don't operate that way." Rather, the department's approach was consistent among the five juveniles involved in the incident. The damage was divided equally and an opportunity was provided to address the matter through restitution rather than unnecessarily continuing juvenile proceeding.

Lol. The same thing, but obfuscated. It's not "pay for the damage"; it's "an opportunity was provided to address the matter through restitution". It's not "or your children will be charged"; it's "rather than unnecessarily continuing juvenile proceeding". Add extra fluff at the start to bury the lede, then avoid the trigger words and pretend it's something different.

saghm•5m ago
"Your children won't be charged! They'll just be arrested"
heaney-555•21m ago
Is everyone going to ignore that those are not Flock cameras?

Why is the quality of discussion on this topic on HN so poor? I'm not even pro-Flock, but a blatantly false post like this is just pathetic discourse.

tssva•10m ago
How do you know they aren't Flock cameras? Flock makes PTZ and fixed cameras intended for general surveillance along with the LPR cameras.
LastTrain•20m ago
So the kids were playing on equipment that fell apart and now they owe money? The city is lucky they didn't get injured.
123hafd•19m ago
True disruption! In 1933 the Nazis needed a human, called Blockwart, to surveil the immediate neighborhood block. This has been automated. Shall we call the cameras Flockwart?
sroussey•7m ago
How is your location data protected? They may not be able to force a company to hand it over without a warrant… but they can just buy it.
porkshoe•5m ago
Chatrie v. US.
Aerroon•2m ago
If things go bad then the problem they cause is so huge that nobody is capable of taking responsibility for it. The following is an illustration of what I mean:

Eg imagine if one of these surveillance companies gets hacked. Personal data and the habits of a hundred million people get compromised.

The penalties for this should be enough to make everyone affected whole.

If your neighbor had a secret camera in your home - what would it take to make you whole? I imagine most people would be okay with like $50k (or some other large sum like that).

Are these surveillance companies ready to pay $50k per person? Hell no. 100M * 50k = $5 trillion.

Nobody can afford to pay that much. They either end up going bankrupt or are absolved of this responsibility. Either way, the people affected will not be made whole.

It's basically the financial sector over extending themselves, just on a different matter.

hollow-moe•12m ago
"One day"? You're years late I'd say. Enjoy the downhill ride, it's not about to end.
t_mahmood•5m ago
I was thinking few days ago something that is very common feature in my city, which made us unsafe in the name of safety without most of us realizing at all.

So, in my city each and every window has metal grills, without anyway to open them, nor we have fire exit, except very few. So, the only way out is the frontdoor. Reason being, It's unsafe to have open windows because of robbers, thieves, rapist etc, which is legit safety concern. But you only have one way out of your safe heaven, the frontdoor, so what happens the day your stairs caught fire? Or earthquake blocks the front door? Or someone just sits there with a gun? You have no way out of your own home.

We really have built jail around us, that we can't escape.

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