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Simons Foundation Launches $15M Effort to Help Mathematicians Navigate AI Era

https://www.simonsfoundation.org/news/simons-foundation-launches-15m-effort-to-help-mathematicians-navigate-ai-era/
55•aaraujo002•52m ago

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simonw•37m ago
> Under a partnership, the Simons Foundation, Anthropic and OpenAI will commit $15 million in combined funding and resources. The foundation will manage and award the funding, including through an open call for proposals, to support workshops and initiatives that help researchers evaluate recent AI-assisted results, learn and use new tools, share perspectives and shape collective standards for AI use.

The foundation was started in 1994, Wikipedia says "one of the largest charitable organizations in the United States with assets of over $5 billion in 2022" - Jim Simons founded the Renaissance Technologies hedge fund.

wslh•20m ago
They also gifted $ 5m [1] to the FRO (Lean Focused Research Organization) [2].

[1] https://www.simonsfoundation.org/news/from-trust-to-verifica...

[2] https://lean-lang.org/fro/

maxdo•31m ago
i think tokens for any scientists should be free.
bdzr•29m ago
ok hello I'm a scientist can I have my tokens now
the__alchemist•26m ago
And herein lies the rub: As others have pointed out in another active thread on AI in mathematics: The crisis could be described as one of career, status, and funding vs the general concept of the field. We have now circled back to question of who deserves these tokens!
The_Blade•10m ago
no i'm sciencing i want my victory tokens and your victory tokens and your victory peptides too 15.10.26 hn ref uncareer doubleplusungood rectify
bethekidyouwant•28m ago
I for one support using our tax money to fund scientists
cute_boi•7m ago
May be instead of funding military or other countries, they can fund scientist.. And all the tax funded must be in public domain instead of giving it to private companies.
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augment_me•26m ago
So $15M of OpenAI/Anthropic tokens, won't this just encourage more model use that started the "issue" in the first place?
aurareturn•23m ago
What’s the solution? Not use OpenAI and Anthropic and watch less idealistic peers post breakthroughs?
augment_me•17m ago
In some way, yes. The whole situation seems completely grounded in that mathematicians are greedy for status and clout trying to write their name on new discoveries in blood and publish as many papers as possible. And now they are sad because they lost their way to this status.

When you remove this greed and status seeking you might actually end up with a healthy environment.

mathisfun123•12m ago
> The whole situation seems completely grounded in that mathematicians are greedy for status and clout trying to write their name on new discoveries in blood and publish as many papers as possible

You're gonna get downvoted but this is absolutely true. People who've never been in real professional academia don't understand but this is exactly what most very successful academics are like.

> When you remove this greed and status seeking you might actually end up with a healthy environment.

Nah I think you're just gonna have collapse because you've removed all incentive.

redanddead•4m ago
overheard from academics the other day about students stealing each others credit

Seems that space is really about that

shimman•23m ago
Wonder if they realize these types of things help grow massive resentment against such companies? I'm astounded by how terrible the politics of SV actually is.
1293816928•7m ago
"One of the foundations responsible for the AI mess bribes mathematicians to accelerate AI."

How shameless can you be?

muragekibicho•4m ago
I think a lot about how Terrence Tao and the usual 30 (already well-funded) math guys will receive this cash while us early-career math students are left holding the bag.

It's akin somewhat to "donating 100 dollars to the node JS foundation, not the packages that appear when you run npm fund".

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4m ago
Tokens aren't free, so I guess you mean we should force AI companies to subsidize scientists.
tuveson•7m ago
> When you remove this greed and status seeking

I don’t necessarily disagree but it seems like the AI companies are just as status seeking and infinitely greedier.

drstewart•1m ago
Oh okay, in which case there's no issue in mathematics. Problem solved.
faishalmanzar•3m ago
I don’t think it’s a matter of greed. I’d say it’s about incentives. In every field, people want to progress. I don’t think mathematicians are any different, even though we try to admire and idealize higher principles and the pursuit of knowledge. If you don’t publish papers under your name, you won’t progress in your career or receive enough support to work at the frontier. It’s just a general observation.
charliermarsh•2m ago
OpenAI's contribution is funding, separate from compute (not tokens).

Simons Foundation Launches $15M Effort to Help Mathematicians Navigate AI Era

https://www.simonsfoundation.org/news/simons-foundation-launches-15m-effort-to-help-mathematician...
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