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Proxmox Virtual Environment 9.1 available

https://www.proxmox.com/en/about/company-details/press-releases/proxmox-virtual-environment-9-1
48•speckx•1h ago

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throw0101c•1h ago
Proxmox (and XCP-ng?) seems to be "the" (?) popular alternative to VMware after Broadcom's private equity-fuel cash grab.

(Perhaps if you're a Microsoft shop you're looking at Hyper-V?)

luma•41m ago
Talking to midmarket and enterprise customers and nobody is taking Proxmox seriously quite yet, I think due to concerns around support availability and long term viability. Hyper-V and Azure Local come up a lot in these conversations if you run a lot of Windows (Healthcare in the US is nearly entirely Windows based). Have some folks kicking tires on OpenShift, which is a HEAVY lift and not much less expensive than modern Broadcom licenses.

My personal dark horse favorite right now is HPE VM Essentials. HPE has a terrible track record of being awesome at enterprise software, but their support org is solid and the solution checks a heck of a lot of boxes, including broad support for non-HPE servers, storage, and networking. Solution is priced to move and I expect HPE smells blood in these waters, they're clearly dumping a lot of development resources into the product in this past year.

nezirus•21m ago
I've used them professionally during 0.9 times (2008.) and it was already quite useful and very stable (all advertised features worked). 17 years looks pretty good to me, Proxmox will not go away (neither product or company)
veidr•1h ago
Nah. Incus.

Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)

PentiumBug•47m ago
Interesting. Does Incus has support for storing virtual machine assets in a NFS store so they could be easily migrated?
unethical_ban•45m ago
Proxmox is free, too.

Incus looks nice, though it looks to be more API driven , at least from the landing page. I can't attest to Proxmox in a production/cluster environment but (barring GPU passthrough) it's very accessible for homelab and small network.

Semaphor•41m ago
GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.
unethical_ban•22m ago
I don't remember if I tried and failed, or if it seemed too much for me... I have an Arc A series; if you have a verified guide I would like to take a look!
zer00eyz•9m ago
This may have more to do with your underlying hardware than proxmox itself.

It's been forever, but to do passthrough you need proper bios support and configuration.

whalesalad•44m ago
Proxmox is entirely free and very, very reliable. Personal preference is fine, but I really don't think any of your claims are true.
hrimfaxi•35m ago
I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.
richwater•32m ago
There's community update repositories you can swap out.

I'm not really sure what the difference is.

moepstar•9m ago
The difference: the free repositories get the updates before the enterprise repo.

So, the software versions that go into the enterprise repo are considered stable by then.

(If we're talking about Proxmox, that is.)

ekropotin•8m ago
Enterprise repos are better tested and somewhat guarantee updates don’t explode anything.
abotsis•41m ago
I’ve been looking at incus, and some aspects are appealing (creating a vm/container via cli). But I think proxmox having better clustering, and built in support for ceph, backups (with proxmox backup server)… proxmox just had a little more maturity behind it. I’ll be watching incus though.
brandon272•41m ago
I tried demo'ing Incus from their "Try it online" page but it just spins endlessly and nothing happens.
wantlotsofcurry•37m ago
I was looking to setup Proxmox for my homelab soon but this comment got me interested in Incus. Mostly because I've never heard of any Proxmox alternatives before this. You can try out Incus in your browser here: https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/try-it/

The demo does take ~10m to get into a working instance.

hrimfaxi•34m ago
Their site might be getting hugged, even the non-demo page is taking ages to load.
ekropotin•14m ago
Dang it! I’ve just got comfortable with Proxmox, but now I have to start looking into Incus because of your comment.
jmward01•49m ago
Watching hypervisors slowly improve over the last few years has been amazing. They aren't quite to the point that I will install them under any new hardware I buy and then put my daily driver OS on top, but they are very close. I think a strong focus on creating 'the OS under your OS' experience seamless could open up a lot more here.
rtaylorgarlock•41m ago
For many folk's workflows, I'd wager that hypervisors are there and ready. I had a nice time setting up xcp-ng before deciding microk8s fits my needs more betterer; they're just plum good, well documented, and blazing fast.
luma•38m ago
VMware has been so good and reasonably priced for so long that there hasn't been a competitive market in the enterprise virtualization space for the past two decades. In a way, I think Broadcom's moves here might be healthy for the enterprise datacenter longer term, it has created the opportunity for others to step in and broadened the ecosystem significantly.
hendersoon•41m ago
So with support for OCI container images, does this mean I can run docker images as LXCs natively in proxmox? I guess it's an entirely manual process, no mature orchestration like portainer or even docker-compose, no easy upgrades, manually setting up bind mounts, etc. It would be a nice first step.
Lapalux•40m ago
Been waiting to update from v8. Time might be right now
lysace•31m ago
15-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where smart and just people funded by various entities around the world kept it running.

Then the opportunity to get rich by offering an open source product combined with closed source extras+support was invented. I don't like this new world.

Edit: Somewhere along the line, we also lost the concept of having a sysadmin/developer person working at like a municipality contributring like 20% of their time towards maintenance of such projects. Invaluable when keeping things running.

npteljes•27m ago
What do you find wrong with "this new world"? For context, I'm using their free offering for my home server, for 6-7 years now. Happy as a clam.
lysace•24m ago
It enables Oracle-like behavior. Once you're locked in as commercial user they can do whatever they want.

Remember: Not all commercial users are FAANG rich. Counties/local municipalities count as commercial users, as an example.

Volundr•21m ago
Funny enough, Proxmox VE is 17 years old. I want to say it was ballpark 13-14 years ago I was using it to replace ESXi to get features (HA/Live migration) that only came with expensive licensing. 15-20 years ago there were definitely companies doing exactly this.
SteveNuts•6m ago
The only thing missing making Proxmox difficult in traditional environment is a replacement for VMware's VMFS (cluster aware VM file system).

Lots and lots of organizations already have SAN/storage fabric networks presenting block storage over the network which was heavily used for VMware environments.

You could use NFS if your arrays support it, but MPIO block storage via iscsi is ubiquitous in my experience.

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