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Deflock Casa Grande

https://deflockcg.com/
123•mooreds•56m ago

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josefritzishere•39m ago
This sort of hyper-local protest is the way to go. Nobody wants to be surveilled.
Barbing•34m ago
Still hyper-local but much more efficient than one retiree holding a sign in front of one camera! Kudos to all doing it nondestructively.
UmYeahNo•27m ago
I wonder if this is as efficient or as effective. The guy holding the skimmer was viral and garnered a lot of attention to the situation. This site, while something I support, probably won't. Maybe it'll be the place people find after learning about the guy holding the sign.

Now, if the guy holding the skimmer had a sign with the URL on it, then we're on to something.

TeMPOraL•17m ago
> Now, if the guy holding the skimmer had a sign with the URL on it, then we're on to something.

Or a QR code.

(Extra points for a hand-drawn QR code. Yes, it takes patience (or grid paper), but it's easier than it sounds.)

IncreasePosts•30m ago
Speak for yourself. I don't mind this type of surveillance personally.
VTimofeenko•28m ago
That's your right, but the problem is that cameras are in public and some people do mind this.
phoghed•18m ago
I believe they mean they don’t mind if others are surveilled against their will
happytoexplain•27m ago
If you force surveillance on 10 people and even one of them doesn't consent, that's still a net bad. And this situation is probably closer to the inverse of those numbers, or at the very least 50/50.

And this isn't even to mention the criminal negligence of Flock, and the evils they have already enabled, as committed both by Flock employees and by government.

infinite_spin•19m ago
It's hard to gauge the sincerity of these beliefs, and even harder to tell if you've actually tested these beliefs against the reality of mass surveillance, especially when it's been used to arrest and stalk innocent people.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/georgia-cops-keep-get...

https://cambridgeanalytica.org/surveillance-privacy/police-f...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-cop-investigating-a...

smegma2•9m ago
I do actually
joshcsimmons•30m ago
I am right up the road from Casa Grande. I run a youtube channel with 30k subs and have recently gotten VERY INTERESTED in investigating Flock/Deflock. I had no idea the cameras were everywhere.

I'll reach out anywhere on the site but feel free to get in touch here as well. I want to interview the creator and broadcast the situation in Casa Grande.

edit: emailed the address on the site. Anyone else on the east valley working on similar efforts should give me a nudge in the comments.

extr•20m ago
Well made website IMO. Gets to the point with plenty of easy-to-understand evidence and calls to action.
user102030•17m ago
Feels like every other site that AI generates. Hard to tell what the creators believe and what is just probabilistically generated.
semiquaver•10m ago
Nothing about this site screams AI to me. The site does its job well. Not sure what you are complaining about.
Supercompressor•9m ago
I disagree. To me, it's clear from how comprehensive the site is that they are very invested in the editorial outcomes of what they've published.
whalesalad•17m ago
Coincidentally I was just watching this video and felt it was a pretty decent way to communicate this to old boomer city councils. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6oKX1w7k5w
diego_moita•15m ago
I wonder how many of the people that defend Flock, Google, Facebook " etc, also are the ones that "denounce" Huaweii for spying for the Chinese government.
bronlund•14m ago
This is like sending a letter to Satan asking him to please stop being a nuisance.
tamimio•12m ago
> Their own patent describes something bigger: video analysis that can identify people, assign traits, and make real-world activity searchable.

That’s not news, and I did mention that months ago in here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46226795

I watched few videos where the police by mistake mentioned how they tracked the cars even with no plate numbers on them.

collabs•12m ago
I know this is preaching to the choir but from the article on the person holding the skimmer

> Police can also use the cameras to surveil protestors and stalk ex-lovers—or strangers they find attractive.

I didn't believe police actually did this until a roommate's new classmate told me her story. She has recently moved in to the neighborhood (an HOA at that). She was walking her dog one evening when a police officer who also lives in the HOA greeted her by her full legal name which she swears she never uses anywhere so the only way someone would know it was if they looked her up. She was just a roommate at this new place so her name wouldn't be in any HOA papers.

The police (or any law enforcement) really should not have access to any kind of dragnet surveillance.

They won't use technology to find our lost/stolen phones but they want even more surveillance for what?

tokioyoyo•10m ago
I do find it very funny how over the past couple of decades US has been talking about how awful Chinese government is wrt surveillance, but now doing exactly the same but through private industry contracts instead. I hold a semi-middle ground view to CCTVs/plate readers, and understand how it can deliver improved QoL to most citizens. But a bit weird how a core American "surveillance = big no no" belief was thrown out in a few years. Another proof of people just say things, but when it comes to action, you can just do stuff.

Sorry for a negative comment, but it's just an interesting observation from an outsider.

mooreds•4m ago
I learned about this site from the 404 media article: https://www.404media.co/casa-grande-arizona-flock-city-counc...

An excerpt:

> “I've spent the last several months talking to people all over Casa Grande, and one thing keeps coming up: Safety. So, today I'm excited to announce a new company called Shepherd Safety,” he said. “Our mission is simple. Keep government officials and their families safe.” It would be no different than how the city monitors its citizens using Flock cameras, he said; he planned to launch satellites that would use AI to monitor “where government officials go, where they stop, who they meet with, and when they return home.”

It was satire, but drove the point home well.

xyzsparetimexyz•17m ago
While such a surveillance system appears to (kinda) work in China, do you really trust American companies and the American police system to implement it at anywhere close to that level of competency?
SoftTalker•17m ago
It's not the cameras I mind per-se. They have legitmately been used to solve some crimes that might have gone unsolved otherwise.

But the problem is the data, and the potential abuse. We have documented cases of cops abusing Flock data to stalk exes, And history proves that any time you collect data about a group of people, it will eventually if not immediately be abused.

You can propose all the warrants and anonymizing and other restrictions that you might like to control who looks at the data and when, but at the end of the day it's all about trusting those in power who have control of the data, and that's not a good thing to do. The government does not (or should not) have the right to track the public as they go about their daily personal business.

ARandomerDude•17m ago
That's because you haven't thought it through. "We only want info on the bad people" might not alarm you personally until any government entity changes the definition of bad and now you're a "bad guy".
applfanboysbgon•15m ago
Would you care to elaborate on why you don't mind individuals being stalked by employees with zero oversight or accountability, and why you don't mind protestors being monitored by the government? Since those are both part of "this type of surveillance", and are a pretty fucking crazy thing to state you're okay with with no argument for them. Do you perhaps lack the imagination to consider how this would affect your life if a government that did not agree with your political views came into power sometime in the future and were to use "this type of surveillance" against you?

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