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166•charliebwrites•1h ago

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pluto_modadic•46m ago
:) nice, topical
casper14•44m ago
Given how long I've been using Graphene, this is not a bad idea also because there has been increasing pressure from governments clamping down on privacy solutions
dvh•42m ago
Why not sell phones?
mschild•37m ago
Because that would require a massive network and additional legal liabilities.

Partnering with Motorola seems to be the best bet.

pocksuppet•21m ago
https://proxysto.re/en/ sells GrapheneOS phones, with worldwide shipping I believe. They do donate a portion of every sale to GrapheneOS. However, you're recommended to install GrapheneOS yourself and not buy it from someone else, so that you know it hasn't been tampered with.
bluebarbet•21m ago
This is surely the closest to a solution we have, IMO. An alternative to the Android-iOS duopoly that involves futzing with cables and command lines is never going to go mainstream. By contrast, a vertically integrated FOSS(ish) hardware-software stack might eventually get to 5% market share, like desktop Linux. At which point companies and governments will be forced to take software freedom slightly more seriously. That's my optimistic take.
jitix•4m ago
They could partner with Fairphone and each can bring their complementary competencies.
imzadi•32m ago
I got a Pixel 10 during prime day and installed GrapheneOS with Cape for the provider. So far, it's been mostly great. The only setback, for me, is the lack of support for tap to pay. I haven't been able to get any wallet app to work. I keep my iphone with minimal service mainly to still have tap to pay and do facetime with my book club.
jp191919•22m ago
If you use a case you could put a card behind your phone. I still use google wallet for various cards, just not tap-to-pay.
giantg2•22m ago
Why Cape instead of Phreeli?
handedness•17m ago
As honeypots go (I'm only joking, well, half-joking), Cape's pretty great on a lot of levels.

I'm glad Cape has competition and hope Phreeli succeeds, but the time when I'd happily contribute to anything he starts is long gone. The substantial credibility he genuinely earned has finally been fully spent, at least for me, but I do hope it becomes a viable option.

pocksuppet•22m ago
You don't want tap-to-pay to work because tap-to-pay requires a bunch of proprietary shitware in order for banks to trust it. It's basically like saying Netflix won't work because of Widevine DRM. Just tap your actual bank card, it's more secure anyway. Or your other, non-secure phone.
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tomatopepper•24m ago
Also, gonna post the crowdfunding link for Samuel Tunick, the American protestor facing federal charges for allegedly giving a DHS officer a GrapheneOS duress password:

https://www.givesendgo.com/letsamgo

It's important he beats his charges to prevent setting an unfavorable precedent for digital privacy rights.

wizzwizz4•19m ago
They start their list with "GitHub Sponsors (credit card)", then list five cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin, Monero, Zcash, Ethereum, Cardano, Litecoin), two of which have "We aren't looking for donations of tokens, only Ethereum [resp. Cardano] itself." Then Wise Quick Pay, then Local Bank Transfer (providing the Wise bank details for Belgium, UK, US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Hungary, and Turkey), then PayPal (in CAD, USD, EUR, GBP – pointing out the PayPal fee), and finally Interac e-Transfer. I wonder whether there's a reason for this order?

Also, PayPal's fee, as described, is fairly steep:

> PayPal charges a base fee of 30 cents and 2.9% of the donation amount within Canada. There's an additional 0.8% fee for donations from the US and 1% for other countries. Currency conversion adds an additional 4% fee as opposed to the usual PayPal conversion fee of 3%.

nvme0n1p1•4m ago
Maybe they're listing in increasing order of payment processor fees?
amazingamazing•15m ago
GrapheneOS looks pretty solid alas ios has the apps I prefer.
ktosobcy•10m ago
Meh… would rather do /e/ or PostmarketOS…

GrapheneOS, for all intents and purposes, still heavily promotes Google and it's services (and no, "sandboxing" is not the solution if you still have to rely on that crap). And they would probably still happy force everyone to buy Google hardware (Pixel) if it weren't for middle-finger from said Google (lack of drivers tree…)

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13m ago
> You don't want tap-to-pay to work

Stop doing this. Yes, I want tap-to-pay to work. I don't want to be told I don't want that; I want it to work without the proprietary attestation garbage.

handedness•21m ago
I've tried two things. The free version is I've stuck a card which supports tap to pay inside my phone case. Big brain time, I know, but it actually works reasonably well. Many modern card phone cases now put shielding in (they didn't used to), which on one level I appreciate, but it limits its utility in this particular use case. I haven't tried one of the current cases to see if the shielding can be easily removed. A thin, flat card with etched/printed numbers is better than one with stamped/raised numbers.

Beyond that, I've been quite happy with Garmin Pay. The watch itself doesn't have a mic or LTE radio, I leave it on airplane mode the vast majority of the time, and it works without the phone nearby. As privacy-hostile-device privacy policies go, Garmin has one of the less offensive ones. I run the Garmin apps in the Owner profile's private space.

I've never had it not work for payment in years of using it, and in fact, at one one payment kiosk I tried to use Apple Pay for a particular large purchase when it made sense to, the kiosk refused repeatedly, but then accepted Garmin Pay.

Their lowest-end devices still don't support it, but I think you can get into it for an MSRP of about $250, and they tend to discount at all of the predictable times. Also, eBay.

Re: FaceTime, there's a way to do it from Android if you're invited (I don't think you can initiate it), but I haven't messed with it in years. See if you can get a good privacy book for normies on the agenda and suggest moving to Signal during the discussion.

goda90•21m ago
I do have to say that if you're interested in privacy, tap to pay or even a credit card is the opposite of that. Cash would be the way to go for private transactions.
pocksuppet•19m ago
Threat modelling, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, etc. What are you defending, and from who? You have to consider that.

For real though just bring your actual card instead of trying to load it onto your phone. Why give Apple and Google your card's private key?

vitally3643•16m ago
Because it's graphine and the entire point is that google is not involved in any transaction between you and your banking app.
kikkia•14m ago
Similar experience, so i just use my garmin watch to pay. Similar compatibility as google pay, but since it runs entirely on the watch it does not check against play integrity.
fullstop•12m ago
I have a Pixel 7 Pro and I've been considering reflashing with GrapheneOS. I bought a Garmin watch which does tap-to-pay to deal with the loss of that feature.

How is the camera on GrapheneOS compared to the stock Pixel 10? Do your banking apps work without playing cat-and-mouse games?

mschild•9m ago
Default camera app is decent and has imo all the basic necessities. You could obviously install the Google camera app and use that if you're after the software features like AI enhancement etc.

Got 3 banking apps (Europe) and they work without a hitch or complaint since installing over 3 years ago. I still use physical cards though so tap-to-pay is a no but I was never interested in that.

imzadi•7m ago
I have a garmin but my banks don't suppose it for tap.

There are a few settings you have to adjust for the camera to be any good. I thought it was trash until this weekend when I found the settings. The default has quality at 95% and has "highest photo resolution" toggled off. The stock camera app doesn't see to let you set the resolution specifically.

I use Varo and Sofi. Both apps work on my phone. The only app I have had a specific problem with was the MyQ app, but there is a workaround for that one.

dgrabla•5m ago
Paypal works for payment, at least in Germany

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