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The WinRAR Approach

https://basicappleguy.com/basicappleblog/the-winrar-approach
53•frizlab•4d ago

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IncreasePosts•5h ago
Does anyone have any estimates for how much money WinRAR has made over the years, and for whom? Is it just a one man shop, a big company with multiple developers, or what?
fortran77•5h ago
There are some clues:

https://x.com/WinRAR_RARLAB/status/1703723906945691890

Most of their revenue comes from corporate licenses.

badsectoracula•26m ago
I find it amusing that, of all things, WinRAR has a community manager and said community manager has fully embraced the meme culture - and there is even merchandise[0] for it.

[0] https://in.tern.et/collections/winrar (linked by the official twitter)

from_endor•5h ago
win.rar GmbH is a German corporation and as such is required to post their financial statements to the federal "Handelsregister". If you google the exact company name, you'll quickly find the Northdata site for them (Northdata is a crawler that aggregates Handelsregister data) [1]. According to that, they made ~1M€ in earnings in 2023.

[1] https://www.northdata.com

bigmace•5h ago
My company doesn't even pay for WinRAR. Their approach is pretty awful, haha.
buccal•3h ago
If you use it or have it installed after 30 days without a buying, your company has violated the terms of the license.
sureglymop•42m ago
Happens all the time. In the company I used to work at, everyone in the web development team used the obsidian editor. I mentioned multiple times that I don't think it's free for commercial use, no one even bat an eye. I feel like people just don't care, especially if they don't have a stake in the company (which is very understandable but imo still not reasonable).
LeoPanthera•5h ago
(I know this article isn't actually about rar, but...)

It's surprising that anyone still cares about the rar file format. lzma, as used in .7z, has superior compression, and neither are particularly fast so it's not about performance.

7-Zip is BSD licensed and has a native Windows UI.

theonemind•5h ago
WinRAR has a lot of great features as an archiver and compressor. It can create parity archives, and has a lot of other great features if you look at the manual

Granted it doesn’t have compression advantage over 7z, but those flags and features look great when I want to create archives, generally better and more convenient than anything else I look at, but I usually end up going with plain old zip files since various utilities can scan and search through them, etc., a network effect win for the zip format. But it also underscores that the best compression ratio doesn’t count for that much for me and some other people

UberFly•2h ago
Well said. The ability to embed a recovery record for really important stuff and the command line support is enough for me to keep using Winrar forever.
sureIy•4h ago
"Best" doesn't always win. We'd be sporting PalmOS if that were the case.
9dev•3h ago
Im just now writing a MOBI parser, which are just Palm Database Format files effectively, and if that is any indication, I’m fairly sure PalmOS is very far from the best option available.
wongarsu•3h ago
The difference in compression isn't that big. Just ran a test on some random 1GB plain-text file I had lying around. Both on the highest compression level at a dictionary size that uses about 5.5GB of RAM to compress (since that's what 128MB dictionary size uses in 7zip, the Winrar equivalent are 916MB, more than what's useful for this file). The result was 7zip compressing the file down to 225MB in 9 minutes and WinRAR compressing it to 239MB in 2 minutes. That's a 6% difference, at a considerable speed cost.

Not a scientific benchmark, but I think it underlines general point. If I want the best results I use a .tar.xz at insane compression levels, or more commonly a .tar.zstd if I want good decompression speed. The usecase for 7zip and WinRar is convenience, ease of use and windows-native file handling instead of the unix-focused .tar format. WinRar wins out on all three of those.

7zip's gui is a worse clone of WinRar's, archive creation has a fraction of the features, windows-specific file handling is an afterthought at best (winrar has handling for the archive flag, alternate data streams, file security, hard links, etc). And most important of all rar is built as an archive format. You get built-in recovery records, and hashes are stored as blake2 hashes instead of the frankly insufficient crc32 hashes 7zip uses.

I'd give 7zip points if it had a better (== more familiar) CLI, but they made the bizarre decision to copy winrar's cli too and make even worse documentation for it. The only things it has going for it are a linux UI and the open-source license

lifthrasiir•4h ago
It is not about goodwill; it is more about making laypersons familiar with the software so that corporate licenses can be sold. This has been a very much established BM for sharewares.
ed_mercer•4h ago
LGR covered this extensively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7W6hv4kcvg
quietbritishjim•4h ago
> If you're familiar with WinRAR, the Windows file compression tool, you'll know where this is going. WinRAR became infamous for offering a "30-day trial" that never actually expired.

I remember Paint Shop Pro being even more famous for this. I certainly got to day five hundred and something of the 30 day trial. I seem to remember an interview with the creator where he was grateful even to users that didn't pay because they helped sort knowledge of it. Sadly, I think later versions made it a harder limit.

stingraycharles•1h ago
Same for MS-DOS, at least in the early years. Microsoft was completely aware just how often it was pirated, even by businesses, but just cared more about market share.
jimbob45•2h ago
Protip: there are some kickass WinRAR themes out there.

https://www.rarlab.com/themes.htm

zerr•2h ago
Don't forget that WinRAR comes from 90s eastern European/xUSSR cultural background, where nobody paid for IP, for something that could be copied. Nobody would use it otherwise. I'm pretty sure even the authors used "pirated" copies of OS/compilers to produce WinRAR.
fuomag9•1h ago
This basically worked for me as well, forklift on macOS has basically an infinite trial but will constantly ask you to buy it

I just bought it yesterday :D

aquir•55m ago
WinRAR is one of the tools what I'm missing a lot since I've moved to MacOS. The other one is Total Commander...
LoganDark•39m ago
What do you miss? The ability to view an archive's contents without having to extract it first, and extract individual files? That can be achieved with BetterZip:

https://macitbetter.com

BetterZip also comes with a Quick Look plugin.

> The other one is Total Commander...

Check out Transmit by Panic. It's technically a remote file transfer software, but can also be used for the local filesystem.

https://panic.com/transmit

aquir•33m ago
Cool, I was not aware of BetterZip, looks great!

Re TC: I am using CommanderOne, that one gets close to it. Also using Midnight Commander in the Terminal

badsectoracula•38m ago
I had the same thought when i switched to Linux a few years ago - then i realized i can just run them under Wine :-P.

Though over time i switched to using Double Commander, an open source Total Commander clone written in Lazarus / Free Pascal, more than Total Commander itself since it runs natively on Linux and can do things like running programs such as xterm, but i still keep Total Commander installed since it can do some things better (or at least in a more familiar manner).

My default archiver is still WinRAR though.

aquir•32m ago
Yeah, DoubleCommander is almost like TC. I'll look into Vine on MacOS
Tallain•6m ago
I use Commander One (https://commander-one.com/) on MacOS as a Total Commander replacement and it's good enough.

There's also a free version with a few features restricted here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/commander-one-file-manager/id1...

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