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Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

https://www.businessinsider.com/big-short-michael-burry-spacex-anthropic-ipo-ai-bubble-claude-2026-6
48•mgh2•1h ago

Comments

beernet•1h ago
AI doomers really are punching the air these days.

They will be right eventually and inevitably. Until then, it's funny watching them build a personal "brand" just to say "I told you so" when the market drops in X years.

epolanski•1h ago
He didn't say AI is doomed or a fluke, he said that these two AI companies aren't worth 1T in capitalization.

The same way semiconductor, internet or railroad companies were not great investments regardless of how important the technology was going to be. It's still a financial investment and it's only going to pay off if bought at the right price, not at crazy multiples.

I will also add: if all your moat is your latest model, you're as good as your latest model and can be easily dethroned.

Strong moats are monopoly-like concessions (Verisign), exclusive technological edge (ASML), brands (Coca Cola), etc.

alexpotato•49m ago
> brands (Coca Cola), etc.

Paul Graham doesn't think so

https://paulgraham.com/brandage.html

hparadiz•47m ago
Anthropic is the one company where that makes no sense. If revenue really is about 50 billion annually and growing than that means that a 20x 1 year of revenue valuation is modest compared to the shenanigans that have been going in the market. It's almost classically textbook conservative in comparison. The moat with these corporate enterprise contracts is literally your conversation history and companies aren't likely to jump ship when everyone likes the tools so long as costs stay nominal. AI at most orgs isn't even the biggest line item.
epolanski•41m ago
All competitors need are their latest model to be either better or similar but much cheaper. And Anthropic has no less than 2 big competitors in the space in US alone providing similar quality models.

There's no moat in LLMs when you're as good as your latest model.

Companies out there aren't in the business of throwing money down the drain.

Take DS4, you can use Deepseek APIs directly with Claude Code, and you're unlikely to notice a difference for the overwhelming majority of your use cases. But your bills run in few $ per day. I'm talking 2 magnitudes less.

hparadiz•17m ago
You forget the institutional inertia of how these things get negotiated from year to year. If something is working for people they tend to wanna keep it. The existing curation of how everything works is cheaper than rolling your own. Sure you can get something running yourself but integrations for a lot of people are worth some of this cost. Also for AI heavy customers (multimedia, video, etc) the sky is the limit and there's not enough processing for it right now.
potatototoo99•39m ago
We know nothing about Anthropic, they make a few money go round deals, announce a bit of revenue, extrapolate it into the whole year and people parrot that they may be making $50bn. Most likely the cost to remain competitive eats at whatever revenue they could hope to make. I expect them to fudge the numbers the last quarter before their IPO, dump on passive investors, and then go back to being officially unprofitable.
mschuster91•47m ago
> Strong moats are monopoly-like concessions (Verisign), exclusive technological edge (ASML), brands (Coca Cola), etc.

Agreed with the exception of Verisign. Many a "security" company went bust like DigiNotar after mishaps or hacks. Being a globally trusted root CA or DNS operator is a strong moat - but also an incredibly brittle one.

And brands... brands aren't as safe as we thought either, as "store brands"/"private labels" are taking up more and more market share [1].

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/shoppers-are-tradi...

monooso•56m ago
Your comment suggests that you (1) didn't read the article, and (2) have no idea who Michael Burry is.
dansmith1919•58m ago
bro was right ONCE and now every tweet is a headline
mschuster91•49m ago
He's still right this time.

Neither Anthropic, Open AI nor SpaceX in its current form is a good candidate for an IPO at valuations that all but guarantee hundreds of billions of dollars in "passive capital" aka pension funds and ETFs will have to buy in.

SpaceX might have been a candidate on its own core business (aka: launching spacecraft and Starlink), but ever since the weird side deals with all of the other companies in the Muskverse (Twitter, xAI, Tesla) it is far too contaminated.

Sooner or later the AI bubble will burst - and assuming that the pension funds and ETFs buy in as projected, they stand to lose a lot of money that will make Covid's first lockdown + dotcom + 2007 Lehman combined look pale.

potatototoo99•37m ago
Elon must be looking to merge the new amalgamation of SPCX into TSLA and join all his sinking ships in one. Starlink itself won't be able to save that, but make it too big and the government might. That is the way to get to the ridiculous valuations needed for Elon's pay package.
cmsj•34m ago
True, but the VC money will have been paid back, and what are we if not meat for the soulless machine of capitalism?
helsinkiandrew•35m ago
He's been wrong a few times, but has been right far more than ONCE and appears to be profitably making decisions. For example:

Short dot.com stocks (55% return), short subprime mortgages (Massive return), long Gamestop 2019, short ARKK 2021, The shorts on Palantir and NVDA are probably still running (PLTR 25% in profit, NVDA 20% loss).

lifty•51m ago
It’s very risky to make these kind of claims. If the denominator (USD) gets obliterated they might very well be worth $1T. It’s all about liquidity and central banks have a whole bag of tricks at their disposal. They never want to see deflation shocks again and they prefer asset inflation.
monooso•40m ago
That seems like a hollow win.
pu_pe•44m ago
The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore. So, in some sense, it is immaterial that the rosy scenarios where AI is responsible for >$30 trillion in the next decade are unlikely. If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride.

Burry is well aware of this, he has written about how passive investing is contributing to this problem.

A_D_E_P_T•26m ago
> The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore.

It has been broken since ~2008 (ZIRPs, etc.) and has really gone off the rails since BTC and memestocks have taken off. Now everything's a memestock. It's all vibes-based.

martinclayton•22m ago
(Agreeing with you) In the 1980s Gary Shilling said:

The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

A long-term principle that I think does still apply.

throwfaraway4•15m ago
The extent to which you’re exposed to long term principles is directly related to the time you’re in the market. Ie trader vs investor

“In the short run, the market is a voting machine, but in the long run, it is a weighing machine”

- benjamin graham

ageitgey•39m ago
One of the hardest parts of investing during a major technological change is the paradox that a technology can be truly revolutionary, yet every company can individually be a bad investment.

The problem is that every company is valued by the market as if it could capture all the value of the new technology, but obviously, not all of them will. This is what happened during the first Web bubble. All the big names were bad bets. Everyone lost a lot of money. Many companies folded immediately. Others, like Yahoo, bled out eventually. Amazon took 10 years to recover. MSFT took 15. And the biggest winner, Google, didn't IPO until well after the bubble popped.

So the question isn't "is Anthropic worth $1T"? The question is "is AI worth Anthropic's $1T + OpenAI's $1T + SpaceX/xAI's $1.8T altogether?" Maybe, but probably not. That implies you are betting on a horse, not investing.

Which one will be the winner in 10 years? Are you confident making that pick? Is it even one of these companies or some other Google yet to be formed or will rise up from China or whatever?

That's the paradox. AI can still change the world and create a ton of value, yet none of these companies might be a good investment at these prices. Or one of them could be a great investment, and the others terrible investments.

whazor•37m ago
I think you could argue Anthropic could be worth $1T. With AI becoming an essential work utility, every global knowledge worker would want a claude subscription. There are 650M to 1B of such office workers. 300M workers × $50/month × 12 = $180B/year. The genie is not going back into the bottle, I have seen what claude code can do when properly connected to tools.

But Micheals arguments are valid. There could be competition, or even local models, thus indeed becoming 'commoditized'.

cyanydeez•33m ago
thing is, we have both local models and local hardware and a true evaluation would do a calculation before openai inflated thw market, before nvidia made circular deals and the other distortions. i think youd find the ROI is nowhere near the API rates are the "price support" is entirely a figment of billionaires and their parasites trying to corner the market by horde logistics
jappgar•27m ago
Why would we need 1B office workers when Claude is supposed to fire everyone anyways?
orwin•17m ago
What probability do you assign to that, especially since CC harness code leaked?

Because I used frontier models this weekend (I had 78% of my assigned tokens for this month left, I wanted to burn them before June 1st, ended up with 24% left), and tbh, I don't see much of the improvement compared to the models I use day-to-day. I'd rather pay less for a slightly worse model. Stacktrace analysis (or any bug analysis really) is where LLMs have the most success rate imho, and free models are good enough since last year. As for coding/architecture tasks, frontier models seems to hallucinate less, but I wonder if it's the guardrails or the he model themselves.

jansan•34m ago
The real question is how we are defining "worth." Much of the market has decoupled from traditional fundamental data, with Tesla's P/E of 380 illustrating this perfectly, but the Tesla stock price refuses to collapse.

We all know the market can stay irrational much longer than you can stay solvent if you bet against it. If you watched "The Long Short" (excellent movie btw.) you know how close Michael burry came to capitulation before his subprime bet paid off. He seems to have a tendency to be too early with his predictions, even with his genius GameStop investment. So while he may be right again fundamentally, his timing may be completely off and those companies could be "worth" significantly more than a trillion dollars, at least temporarily, in stock valuations.

My personal prediction is this: The hype will go on longer than people think, just like with the New Economy. There is this quote from market analyst Larry Wachtel in 1999 who said: "Everybody's happy, everybody's making money - something's wrong here"[1]. Ironically, even Wachtel eventually succumbed to FOMO, capitulated, went in late, and lost a lot of money[2]. I am trying to not make his mistake, but it will be tempting to do so, I am sure about that.

[1] https://youtu.be/uaK5tsH59UM?t=1188

[2] https://youtu.be/DSVPsP0Bfx0?t=456

pjmlp•33m ago
Of course not, this is pure speculation just like in past cycles, until it goes bum.
schonfinkel•29m ago
And this time the boooom has a larger blast radius than all the previous booooms combined.
abirch•24m ago
The largest so far. We have always been in a boom/ bust cycle. The difference is that they are coming faster and faster.

I need to figure out the next one.

jstummbillig•22m ago
Minus, of course, all the times where it did not go bum, right?
mrits•19m ago
Most people can't get past the kind of logic that declares Facebook doomed for 20 years because Myspace.
pjmlp•18m ago
Beyond GenX and Boomers who is still using Facebook? We don't live forever.
danaris•8m ago
But what's being discussed isn't usership: it's stock prices.
helsinkiandrew•27m ago
Matt Levine made an interesting point that the SpaceX IPO looks like a short squeeze/pump and dump [1]:

1. Do an IPO.

2. Sell a small amount (5%) to price insensitive Elon Musk-fans at a $2 trillion valuation

3. Get in all the indexes, because you are huge.

4. Unlock more stock, which the index funds have to purchase

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2026-06-01/the...

baxtr•26m ago
Please, don’t buy the stock. It’s a classic retail investor trap
helsinkiandrew•24m ago
The issue is that once it's in the S&P500, Russel, Nasdaq100 etc indices - everyone with a pension or tracker fund will be buying it without thinking
tossandthrow•16m ago
Yes. I am severely reducing my exposure to these indices finding alternatives.

My impressions is that US investors also have a special love for the S&P500 and could likely benefit from a non-US bias.

throwfaraway4•10m ago
This is why direct indexing is important. I can simply exclude these tickers. Will it skew it slightly from the index? Sure but I’m ok with that
uriahlight•17m ago
It'll be a wonderful crow feast to anyone who agrees with Michael Burry on this.
martinclayton•13m ago
What's the rationale offered by NASDAQ for their new "15-days and you're in the index" rule for these massive IPOs?

Seems equivalent to removing road safety rules for the least-tested, most-powerful new vehicles only.

wewewedxfgdf•8m ago
So the company that actually makes computers programming computers work, ain't worth $1T.

Whoever you are Michael Burry, you don't know shit about the implications, and where this is headed, and that the party only just got started.

I sure do wish I had a big chunk of that overpriced Google IPO stock, and Amazon, and MS, and Apple, etc etc etc

LightBug1•5m ago
Literally adjusting my pension funds and ETA's away from this ... I don't even care if I lose out. I want stable growth. Not a nation obsessed with memestocks.
tlakshgf•8m ago
What does revenue have to do with it? Mercedes has a revenue of $130 billion, profit of $5 billion and a market cap of $56 billion.

According to your logic, it should have a market cap of $2.6 trillion.

Conservative is to look at P/E, which is 10 for Mercedes.

Anthropic isn't even a growth stock, since it has already been force fed to everyone with one of the largest marketing and coercion campaigns in history.

hparadiz•4m ago
I've had economics professors tell me that a "normal" business valuation is 10 years of profit so your example is in line with my thinking there. I'm just as curious to see the final numbers as you but if they are even approaching them it's not very out there to consider a high valuation. I don't wish to speculate on what the numbers actually are. I want to see them too.
mellosouls•33m ago
It was a hell of a once tho
blitzar•24m ago
Its frustrating; you grind out a living making consistent solid double digit returns for investors and all anyone talks about is a guy who made 5bn for their investors 20 years ago and has lost 25bn for them since.
raddan•8m ago
The last time Facebook reported its monthly active user base they were at 3 billion. [1] So I guess the answer to your question is… everyone?

[1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000132680124...

pjmlp•17m ago
Such as?
l23k4•7m ago
Do you live in a cave? I guess not.

Do you have access to the internet? Seemingly yes.

The booms just tend to be much bigger than the busts.

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